Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

[Smileandactlikeitsfine]

It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

Wow that truly is shocking from a GP. It's been a sad state of affairs unfortunately with many women undergoing oophorectomies without any medical professional making sure they had some HRT asap after surgery. I hope the more we discuss women's sex based health issues IRL and in feminist forums, we can eradicate women's current suffering.

My heart bleeds for them. Not one fuck given

I don't look down on dating a transman. I wouldn't date one. Because I happen to be straight.

I think the penny hasn't dropped yet for slowpoke and their ilk has it? We (and in fact most people) don't believe men can become women or vice versa and think that trying to force lesbians to date men is conversion therapy and homophobic. It's not really that difficult. Straight people date the opposite sex, gay people date the same sex and bisexual people date either. That's it. Trying to force or coerce anyone to have sex with someone they are not sexually attracted to is rapey.

Just to clarify I'm happy for any information I've posted to be read by and shared with anyone who needs it and that includes Slowpoke's friend if it will help.

This also includes estriol 0.01% (aka Gynest) as an alternative if Ovestin is unavailable which can also help trans men with urogenital atrophy.

Thank you i can see why you want to be balanced here but this is a thread for women who are suffering.

I might possibly if required. For the transman I know I try to use their name instead.
However the one time I was talking to someone about them (to their neighbours) their neighbour was under the impression they were a woman anyway, so not my place to correct them.
However I agree with Kellie Jay Keen that using preferred pronouns is the thin end of the wedge and possibly best avoided.

From what I understand this is a thread about an article concerning HRT shortages and trans women. There have been responses from women unable to access HRT and also someone with a friend who is a trans woman similarly impacted by the shortage. This is why I responded with more information that might help.

@slowpoke5001
Re telling your Mum you are non binary we don't know how she will react, but if she is a GC feminist who nonetheless loves her child I am sure she won't feel any differently about you.

So the population is more accepting of trans, yet they are soooo discriminated against they all will commit suicide?

Both? At the same time?
Wow we are holding two opposing opinions, that's pretty clever, or not.

I just want my single sex spaces back is all.
Progress would probably now mean 3rd spaces, afraid I'm all out of energy and time, I had to use all mine up attempting to keep my single sex spaces. All those letters I wrote, all the money to good causes like allison and maya, means I'm all out of money too. You want me to sign a petition, maybe that I can do. So long as it states single sex and third spaces for anyone who doesn't care.
If I hadn't had to fight this battle which is not over yet, I could have really got behind third spaces, could have slung some money in its direction, walked the streets as a protest if it had been needed, but sadly I'm all out.

and that's why if you can't call a Trans Women a Women there will be no progress

ha ha ha ha ha. Hilarious.

Really. Fuck that statement is all kinds of manipulative.

Nobody can make a transwoman female. Not by good wishes, pronouns, respect, pretence, fear, or oestrogen. None of it makes a transwoman female.

For some people that sucks. But it isn’t women’s fault, it isn’t prejudice or bigotry. It’s just a fact.

Pokey, one day you’ll grow up and cringe at the drivel you’re spouting on here, or perhaps your narcissism will remain a permanent feature 🤷🏻‍♀️

As the partner of a medic (endocrinologist tbp) I can reassure you that the HRT shortage has nothing to do with trans women and a lot to do with economics.

The fundamental thing I cannot understand though is why someone wouldn't offer the small courtesy of using the correct pronouns for a Trans Person. it's such an easy thing to do. Even if you're dead set in your mind that they are a Man and not a Women it's a small courtesy that could mean the world to them.

What manipulative bullshit - "it is such an easy thing to hand over your words, your ability to define yourself, your data, your privacy, your spaces, your sports, your safety, your adjustments to overcome discrimination, your freedom of speech - just look how easily I hand it all over on your behalf!"

Im not sure that anybody has said that the shortage is the ‘fault’ of transwomen

Who said it's their fault? I'm saying when there's a shortage, woman's need for HRT should be a priority before mens. Trans women should not be entitled to HRT before biological women.

I'm curious about this figure of only 1500 transwomen taking cross sex hormones. I knew something like 95% never had surgery to remove their penis but I didn't realise such a small proportion took CSH too. So that would be a minority of those with a GRC. It seems unlikely you would go to the trouble of surgery if you don't take hormones so we are talking about a very small minority of transwomen who make any physical changes whatsoever. We also know that those who go on puberty blockers are fixed onto a pathway for CSH. So perhaps slowpoke could elaborate on why this is vital for children and any deviation is considered 'conversion therapy' when so very few adult transwomen take them?

Indeed. I'm clearly not only one who is frustrated by slowpokes complete lack of self awareness.

Complaining how they abhor toxic masculinity, in all its forms, even going so far as to make a list, and then go onto a feminist forum, to demand (from feminists!) that feminism includes men, that males will use women's toilets, and fuck women who don't agree, that women need to call males by a pronoun that promotes an ideology that's detrimental to women, and that they can see absolutely no reason whatsoever why women shouldn't be called a name that they find insulting - to the point that they're arguing with those very women about why they're mistaken about being insulted!!

The misogyny, arrogance and entitlement is off the bloody scale.

But slowpoke abhors masculinity in all its forms.

What's her data source for this - would you mind linking? Thanks.

For Women Scot say that 80-95% of people who say they are trans choose to have no medical treatment at all – no surgery, no drugs, not even therapy?

Their citation for this statistic is the written submission by GIRES (a pro trans activism organisation) to the Parliamentary Transgender Equality Inquiry.

My point isn’t about fault. Sorry, bad phrasing. It’s about supply chains of HRT that are threatened by numerous factors. But not by transwomens access to HRT. This does not pose a threat as they access very little. The tone of many women on this thread may however suggest that trans women shouldn’t have access to any sort of hormonal treatment at all. I’m not quite sure what the point of the op article was other than to ignite yet another attack on a very marginalised group of people.

I don’t have a link to any published data but I do know that the wait time on orders of many medicines (including HRT and HT), devices (eg pacemakers) are becoming increasingly hard to access and making many lives extremely difficult. Usually down to short funding but also supply chains from abroad (thanks Brexit) being heavily compromised.

My 14y old asked me in the car today, why are they called trans rights activists? What rights do trans people ot have the same as any other peoples right?

Even children can see it.

NOT have.

Marginalised - what a joke.