Transwomen are really upset by HRT shortages

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It makes their moods all over the place.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/hrt-crisis-impact-on-trans-community_uk_627bbc19e4b009a811cc19f3/

I mean us perimenopausal women take hrt for few other essential functions as well, but just as long as your moods are even mate.

Indeed

oops cross posted!

Over50andfab Thankyou 😊 Do you know if one Evorel 50 patch is the equivalent of 2 x 0.5mg sandrena or 2 x pumps of oeatfogel per day? I've been told by pharmacist that they are but the dosaging doesn't make sense to me, are they absorbed differently from each other?

It also explains why they have taken up so much of this thread to argue with women. Women are women - no prefix needed. Transwomen are transwomen - they are men who have transitioned.

www.themenopausecharity.org/2022/04/25/hrt-shortages/

menopausesupport.co.uk/?p=16584

When I use patches I'm on 75mcg, but when I use Oestrogel I need 3 pumps to get the same effect, despite the dosage on the bottle saying one pump = 75mcg, so 2 pumps to replace 50mcg patches sounds correct.

Okay thankyou this helps alot!

www.metro.co.uk/2022/06/04/in-focus-if-i-dont-have-hrt-i-will-die-16668218/ I could have personally written Jen Stanbrook's opening quote in this article 😢

Then consider nearly every single woman who for a large percentage of their lives has abuse and comments and "handsy" people trying to cop a feel every single week, sometimes daily, sometimes multiple times a day, does anyone listen or care or try to prevent it? Add rape and assault to I don't even know how many women, but theres not a single woman I know who hasn't been assaulted and/or raped.
Many more than once. Imagine every day having to leave the house knowing today again probably someone will try to feel you up, upskirt you, wolf whistle, make derogatory comments, follow you, and more. Yet somehow mostly we manage to still carry on, some of course are so damaged they dont.
Facing all that it's a surprise any woman gets out of bed on a morning.

Our facilities are also limited. You have no idea cos you are a man, allowed everywhere.

No one, ever anywhere is entitled to date anyone, or entitled to sex. If that's going to be a problem for someone and it's well known that people of either sex will not be likely to date or have sex with trans, then they should think again about transitioning. If it's so important that dating and sex is a deal breaker, then you take that on and either accept your limiting yourself, and dont moan about it, or dont transition.

You keep mentioning the suicide stats, it's been disproved years ago now. I believe it was 17 self selected participants who were not clear about what transphobia entails. But if you have more recent stuff, be my guest to post the link.

The HRT shortage shortage is due to raised awareness of its effective and safe for most people control of menopause symptoms in the media and the campaign to raise awareness. Nothing to do with trans women who, for those that access their treatment on the NHS, make up a tiny proportion of the total number on HRT. I certainly wouldn’t want them to be without any more than we are, also for anyone who uses testosterone which has also been reported in short supply.

Anyone unable get their regular HRT from their pharmacy can try other options:

1. request an alternative that is available from your GP (after checking first with the pharmacy)
2. if your regular HRT is included under the SSP (serious shortage protocol) which includes Oestrogel, Sandrena and Lenzetto plus Ovestin cream for urogenital atrophy, ask your pharmacy what they are able to prescribe as an alternative. psnc.org.uk/our-news/ten-more-ssps-issued-for-hrt-medicines/
3. check the online Boots stock checker regularly to see what is available at pharmacies near you - or further away if need be. Always phone to double check as this is just an indication of availability. If you can source elsewhere you can ask your pharmacy to release your prescription to the spine where it can be picked up at the other pharmacy, or with a paper script.
4. if your regular brand stipulated patch is unavailable consider getting a prescription that states Estradiol patch in which case there is more of a choice eg Estradot, Evorel, Estraderm and Progynova.
5. some women are sourcing their HRT abroad where it is available OTC eg in Spain. However if you take this route ensure you get like for like as labelling can vary.

Of course there are limitations to these options such as knowing we don’t get on with one or more of the alternative options.

thebms.org.uk/news/british-menopause-society-update-on-hrt-supply/

@nannoggshere I’ve attached the dose equivalents. They’re the same amount of estradiol just measured differently

Yes, I believe they are equivalent.

I had to work out my own dosage equivalents after my GP massively fucked it up. GP is hopeless, and seems to conveniently forget that I am post-BSO TH <sighs>

(For the bloke at the back, that's a Bilateral Salpingo Oophorectomy and Total Hysterectomy. Women have them for medical reasons. Serious ones.)

I start off using preferred pronouns as a courtesy.

If someone were to then make a big performance of referring to me as "cis", after I'd asked them not to, I would stop bothering with their pronouns.

I don't bother being polite to adults who are deliberately rude to me.

people who look down upon dating a Trans Man or Woman and the loneliness that can come with that.

Being provided with dates and sex is not an entitlement that any human has, regardless of their sex or gender.

Providing TQ+ people with dates and sex is not some kind of odd social duty for others to provide regardless of their own attraction and feelings. 'Lie back and think of Stonewall'.

Ffs. Consent. Boundaries. The right of sexual attraction and to enjoy sex and have choice about how one uses one's body and who one chooses to allow access to it. This is incel rhetoric and it's deeply unhealthy and inappropriate stuff. This movement is going to have to realise that it is not just them who are human, and real, with real feelings. It is not only them who matter, and the rest of the population are neither props nor their mum.

I also find this so insulting and othering to TQ+ people.

I'm positive that most would much prefer to just naturally date and connect with people based on natural attraction and connection as everyone does, and not be spoken about as some group that the rest of the population owe dates to as a social duty regardless of their feelings.

Also consider the amount of Cisgendered people who look down upon dating a Trans Man or Woman and the loneliness that can come with that.

'Look down on' ? Wow. You basically just redefined both homosexuality and heterosexuality as sexual snobbery. As a heterosexual woman, presumably I am 'looking down on' not just transmen, but also all women by not dating them?

I'd like to know how slowpoke can distinguish between genuine transwomen and just those pesky male crossdresser's too. Perhaps slowpoke can elaborate (mansplain) so we can use their superior knowledge of this to keep our women's spaces safe from the pesky interlopers...

You basically just redefined both homosexuality and heterosexuality as sexual snobbery.

Oh we had it said in a court case only a few days ago that homosexuality is apartheid.

Homophobia is the new black for some.

Slowpoke's only 23, just got a girlfriend, probably never even heard of the menopause, not surprising he comes across as so ignorant. Fortunately, those who have posted links to threads which detail the abomination that women suffer through the menopause will hopefully educate him. I'm sure it would impress his girlfriend and future ones to know how difficult it is for women to navigate their basic biology. He might even realise in a few years just how rude he was to women and cringe in embarrassment for his crass behaviour. We see it a lot, and we live in hope.

I think Davina has to bear a lot of the responsibility for the HRT shortage with her campaigning success It's been amazing to be able to discuss the problems women have at work due to their biology. We have work passports that detail support measures needed to cope with issue, I have a disability anyway and now the menopause, I rely on HRT to be able to work.

Seeing female bodies as something other people have entitlement to and that females have no business saying no about is another fashion at present.

It's the middle ages back again in a new fig leaf.

What a shame for us. You mansplaining the situation was so enlightening 🙄

Thankyou to all the women that posted helpful links and info about how to get equivalents and equivalent doses. I'm glad this has been highlighted on this board as it very much is a sex based feminist issue.

Absolutely.

For example, still-menstruating women who have their ovaries removed need a much higher starting dose - my GP said she was unaware. (What, unaware that ovaries produce oestrogen?)

Apropos of nothing, if I wanted to predict what my own mother thought of anything, I used my brain and my knowledge of her opinions on all the subjects we'd ever discussed. I did not ask mumsnet, as if all women over 45 were some kind of hivemind.