Hyde Park 29th May 12pm

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Anyone coming to Hyde Park tomorrow?

He even created a large mouth area so it looks like the classic blackface.

He didn't do it deliberately so it looked like "classic blackface", that's a huge reach. He did it so he could speak easily. Unless you have some other evidence that he's a massive racist? The "Black Pampers" thing was supported by plenty of the people on our side who are now condemning KJK, btw.

You're making that up as you go along now. Just as you are overstating / misrepresenting some of what has been said here.

Explaining the reasons he did what he did is not doubling down and refusing to see anything.

I saw the original TRAs .in Manchester as threatening. I saw Mr Menno ridiculing them.

When it was suggested he was being racist I too explained the root of his appearance, piss taking M/TRAs. I didn't expect to be told "So what? It's still racist because the USUAL MN whitewash" etc etc.

I thought it was possible to be able to discuss it and see that whilst offence may have been caused it was not offered, not deliberate.

But no, any explanation, discussion, lack of immediate contrition is labelled racist and that is that.

OK. You have made your point. You have explained that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says. I get it. We do not agree. Could you accept that we won't agree and move on? Or is that not good enough?

I agree the TRAs were threatening.
Can you not see how this looks like blackface whatever you say the intention was?

What do you want? Yes, I can see that someone wearing an all black body suit including mask could look like they were being racist. I haven't said otherwise. I don't think anyone here has said otherwise. I've just said, like others have said, that racism wasn't the reason Mr Menno was dressed up like that.

But you seem to take 'explanation' to mean something else, ignoring, refuting and being racist.

I have also asked if you, personally, have taken the TRAs at Manchester to task for doing the same? Nobody seems to want to do that though!

The white nappy makes it clear that it is black skin being represented.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist there are multiple comments here saying it looks nothing like blackface and that Wendi and I are racist to even suggest it.

As has been explained, that is because he was referencing both the Manchester crowd and the man excusercising for them on a TV interview - and added pampers.

Explaining that isn't saying it cannot be seen as racist. It is simply explaining why he did that. Supplying the direct reference points.

Again, it's the people he was taking the piss out of that wore all back, a black curly wig as a disguise. Have you taken them to task?

I may be one of them. If it was you that repeatedly suggested taking this to the Black MNers board. I 'explained' why too. I expect that having tried to explain denuded my post of meaning!

My point is really simple. Yes. Stripped of all context, it could easily be seen as racism. But in context, a context all present were aware of, it was, at best, ill judged with hindsight.

My question is does context ever matter? Had the TRAs worn camo kit we wouldn't be here. But they didn't, and we are!

Well, if you tell me the right answer I'll let you know!

Parody. Taking the piss. Taking the fear out of the situation by ridiculing it.

Like talking to a brick wall. No one did black face and you all know it. Wearing black clothing is not blackface and it’s bloody obvious it was not even meant to be.

Why is that all in blackmailers script? Is that supposed to make a point?

I can see there's absolutely no way we are going to have a discussion that includes any common ground and, again, would like to agree to disagree and move on. But I doubt that would be a good enough solution.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist I said not to take it to the black MN board unless you are black.
This event was filmed by Kellie jay to share to a wider audience. That context matters. She has also released a video defending the blackface and calling women like us, mainly black women, Head Girls.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist agree to disagree? No that is not going to happen. But all this just confirms for me why there is no place for me in what is clearly white feminism.
I will stick with the black radical feminists and some white women who understand and fight racism.

Yeah, well anyone who expect KJK to be an angel will.be disappointed. She is who she is. I don't agree with everything she says or does - just like any other person I know of.

Which is ineffably sad as it seems to mean that any woman who doesn't see the world exact as you do becomes, if not your enemy, your 'not friend'.

And you insult people like me who aren't racist but who don't agree that inadvertent insult should be labelled and condemned - excuse me for that, I don't have the words to say precisely what I mean as, when written without me as context, it looks and reads weak, self excusing.

I suppose it's because my age, my natural inclination and the community work in is all about knocking down barriers and walls rather than building them. No matter how firm the foundation a wall segregates the people on both sides. And that isn't my politics!

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist the alternative isi just accept racism because it was not meant to be racist?

And look at the gatherings in London. An incredibly diverse city and the gatherings are virtually all white. Why do you think that is?

No. I expect every adult to be able to recognise context and the wide variety of human experiences. To value those differences and to focus their ire were insult is intended.

calling women like us, mainly black women, Head Girls

This is a name used about a particular type of GC feminist, not black women per se.

Don't move out here to rural NotLondon! The lack of apparent diversity would horrify you.

But, as with London crowds, I suspect you may have mistaken 'white' for not diverse. Or that the UK is a predominantly white country by virtue of geography and literally eons of development.

That's evolution not racism.

Why have all Wendy's posts calling out blackface been deleted?