What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

This. It's uncanny how accurate Orwell's vision was.

There's no attempt to think about things. People are happy to be stupid and just repeat what they've been told online.
I have an acquaintance who's a man in his late 20s, fancies himself bright and ambitious. I mentioned the gender woo and my concerns to him and he'd basically never heard of it. A few weeks later he told me that knowing whether someone was a man or a woman was "complicated" because we don't know whether it's determined by the body or the brain.

I haven't read the thread, will do this evening.

One of my concerns is for my adult daughter with LD. She knows she is a woman and can read this word, but she doesn't know and cannot read some of her body parts, so any description that is meant for females that starts with "person with a ...." Excludes her - an ACTUAL woman. I really worry for when I am not around.

I work in a secondary school and it is so ingrained in all years, we have kids in year 7 who write trans women into their stories but never trans men. My other daughter is in yr 11 and has 2 non binary friends and 2 ftm. The schools trans register is 99% girls. All still change in the girls changing rooms and use the girls toilets. My school is in a very middle class, secluded area.

All my female friends talk about this, it is one of our main topics.

Sure is scary how easily it all developed. Fooling the world into agreeing that biologicsl sex is irrelevant and silencing those who know it is just not true. I'm hopeful that the push back will be successful and there is a return to social normality.

What now though for other crazy notions that someone will dream up? Will this be the lesson or will we end up doing the same all over again?

It's really important to remember that gender ideology doesn't stand on its own.

It's part of a much larger set of underlying beliefs about things like oppression hierarchies and identity. And these things have been introduced into places like schools, really without comment, and their place has been accepted and cemented for years.

Parents reasonably assumed that these ideas were about things like racism, or tolerance, in the way they themselves thought of those causes. It's only now they are realizing that a) these ideas are being presented in a way that is quite different than what they thought, b) that schools are spending way more time than they realized reinforcing these ideas and building their learning around them, and c) although they as parents may have been comfortable with the school teaching ideas that were not ok with some other parents, when the shoe is on the other foot it suddenly seems like a concerning principle.

Pat of the reason it's so difficult to dislodge this stuff, and teachers are so willing to buy in, is that they have been buying in for years. They were already ok with keeping thngs from parents, teaching kids values that their parents might not approve of, the idea that identity is deeply important, that they should always side with the most opressed, that western culture is always an opressive force. Etc

I hope in 8 years time this shit has been sorted

I don't want to be a doom mongerer but I woke up to this in 2015. Started a FB group that's still going, though quieter now but where a lot of grass roots organising began. That's 7 years ago. I thought everyone would have woken up within two years, especially once the sports thing hit the mainstream but nope. To very loosely quote Graham Linehan, I don't know what's going to wake people up because none of the utter travesties around sports, women's prisons, schools, high levels of sex offending in that "community" thus far have done it.

I get the ' but how DO you define women then' from my supposedly intelligent male friends.

One of them says he struggles with being seen as a man as he's not very masculine. (He isn't non binary or anything, he's a man but thinks it's not an simple as 'look between your legs' as he's bought into the lie that it can't be as simple as that. Despite being a heterosexual normal bloke, slightly sensitive/arty/ not big and burly but now he thinks that means he can't just be 'a man' in this society. Shame...

I'm not sure I could have ever imagined a world where people believed that knowing what sex they were was "complicated".

Fuck knows how they decide which pizza they want, I'd have said that was MUCH more complicated.

This.
But today I saw on a bench a sticker saying this:

It is sadly true.
A Man can say 'I'm a Woman' and we are expected to go along with it.

I have heard the harsh male voices outside Women's places.

They may own the dresses {And the balaclavas}..but dresses do not a woman make.

Now you see the whole thing has got so bad that honestly I'm not sure which side in this debate stuck the sticker up!

That's f*ing horrific.

Can you report it as a hate crime?

actually you've got a point @Boiledbeetle 🤔

My goodness that’s sad and often what people want to do

Really so awful

To me, that sticker looks ironic - could it be a feminist sticker?

Yes, TRAs wouldn't want to silence 'women' if they see themselves as actual women.

Looking again you’re probably right

So much of this is the epitome of 'Western luxury beliefs'. How do the Taliban know which people need to wear burgas? How did Boko Haram know which children to abduct? How do rapists know which people are most likely to have vaginas? Bleating that you are non-binary (or 'not like the other girls') won't save you from stoning, or rape.

Yes. And 'no debate'. And that anyone is willing to countenance children having puberty delayed/blocked because of clothing/toy choices.

Yep. If you're okay with rapists being housed in prisons, children being put on a path to sterilisation, and women being told not to use the word 'woman' when fighting for abortion rights ...

For me, its the intolerance. The Uk really seems to have gone backward in just sitting down and listening and understanding. That makes me sad.

Me too Mishy. I suspect that an ideology that started with #nodebate and progressed to violent threats and hounding people out of their jobs and social activities for daring to raise the issue of competing rights was never going to sit easily in a democratic society where free speech is a cornerstone.

I've NC for this - not sure who I know is in here. But I am prepared to be flamed...

I have not read the whole thread, but the biggest thing for me is that I think many people might not be trans but might be autistic instead, and they're being manipulated into thinking they're in the wrong body...

I only know this because I've met and I am friends with a few trans people...and they all had a common denominator...they're autistic, or I highly suspect that they are....you can tell by meltdowns over trivial things, avoiding people...not showing empathy...

The consequences we have of this are the erasing of women. And it makes me feel uneasy.

I'm most scared about the exploitation of vulnerable young people. My 9 year old autistic DS is already having to deal with it because he has very long hair and is very gentle in nature. He's come to me on occasion to ask me if he's still a boy because others are telling him he's a girl and he get confused.

And I think the way that it's now an ideologically driven thing is because of the amount of money big pharmacies make from selling hormones to people. And hormones aren't cheap, from what I know. Many are buying them on the black markets.

These companies are pushing an agenda on everyone. I feel like everyone is trying to push women back 50+ years and replace women with 'men'.

The only way women can win this battle is by having to tackle these companies, but they all have a lot more money than us all.

Sorry for the rambling but I have nowhere else to vent this.

BringBack that is bloody awful, your poor son. Hoping it eases up for him soon.