What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

If the shit hits the fan and everything some of us fear ends up in legal regulations and law.....

Can you imagine sex education in the future???

year 2086: children today we are going to be talking about how babies are made. to do so we need to first have a history lesson.

Many years ago back when your great- great grandparents were born they would be classified as either a girl baby or a boy baby. I know Child 3 Delta 2 its such a weird idea isn't it? anyway back to the lesson...

OR

Do they just stick up a diagram with both lots of genitalia overlapping? On the internal diagram a prostate overlaying whatever it would overlay on woman's one now? (forgive my ignorance of the location of an organ I don't need to know about). and say some of these make babies. if you have those ones and have sex with someone who doesn't have those ones you may get pregnant.

Please get an ultrasound done before having sex to determine which part of the baby making process you are.

There is a way to tell you how to tell externally but we are forbidden under School Reform Act 2082 Penal code 456 section 5 subsection 7 not to divulge that information to you. You are allowed however to ask your parental units.

OR

Do they by then go erm so sometimes some of you may get fat. then after some time a baby falls from your bits . Erm we don't know why or how and erm yeah end of lesson

Genuinely terrifying

How many children are falling into it and how powerless adults are. I'm a teacher and I feel like it's the biggest safeguarding failure ever, but to say anything is impossible as you're judged to be worse than racist

Being called a bigot or a TERF if I don't agree with all of it. Hasn't happened so far but I don't really discuss it with anyone else.

I often look back at the way gay people were treated with horror and wonder how on Earth anyone thought it was ok. Then I start to wonder if 50 years from now people will look at my views in the same way. I hope that it's different because gay people wanted equal rights but wonder if I'm crazy. I support trans people having equal rights but at the moment, it feels like some of the hard core campaigners want them at expense of women's rights.

@starlingdarling

(1) Your gender critical views mean that you are supporting gay rights. If you were supporting Stonewall you would be homophobic by definition (Stonewall denies that sexual orientation is a thing). I cannot comprehend that a new movement can be morally right AND denies gay rights.

(2) In the UK trans people have equal rights. They have "human rights" and they have protection from discrimination for what they are - trans. The only rights they lack are -

(a) The right to deny that anyone - gay or straight - has a sexual orientation
(b) The right to force other people to lie and use language that supports a belief system that they hate.
(c) The right to eliminate women's spaces by making all spaces mixed sex.

I was sorting out some old t shirts the other week. I used to be proud to wear my some people are gay get over it shirt. But the stonewall logo sitting there looking at me. The feeling of dread washed over me in an instant.

I no longer have it, and neither does the charity shop. It's currently landfill.

What scares me most is the absolute suppression of free speech and the bullying nature of the activism, under the guise of them being the bullies/victims. As a form of activism they have been very successful in getting their way for a minority group using people's fear of appearing 'bigoted', but I have hopes the tide is turning.

How easily people have gone along with the TRA ideology. How it has brought out the violence and chaos lying just below the surface of civil society.

It reminds me of Nazi Germany. As a Jew who lost family in the Holocaust, this isn't a comparison I make lightly.

I cannot pick just one of my fears as the greatest. We live in a dystopia where trying to understand why this is happening makes me wish to pour bleach into my brain.

No attempt to find a coherent logic in this works at all, but I can't stop trying. What frightens me about the lack of logic is that so many highly educated and powerful people are comfortable supporting something they probably have never analysed at all. And this hints, as others have pointed out, at a world which can go mad in a second.

My greatest fear from a feminist angle is the realisation how very much the contempt of women (vulva people) is still in the air we all breathe, how invisible and yet pervasive it is, and how fragile the gains of the past feminist movements are.

The past waves of feminism were imperfect and flawed, but at least they knew that they were fighting against sex-based oppression. Now even mentioning the female sex is blasphemy in some feminist circles.

Yet sexism and misogyny are not deceived by preferred pronouns or nonbinary identities. They know perfectly well who their female prey are. Fighting for their victims, though, becomes cumbersome when we are not allowed to name them.

Compared with most of you I consider myself just a stupid old mare who doesn't understand any of this wave of sinister ideology at all.

OK, where did it originate, who is behind it, why is it so prevalent, why is it silencing people and cancelling them, and all from a little seed somewhere that somehow grew into a giant sunflower by some magical formula, to represent a tiny group of people who seem to have immeasurable power. I am totally baffled TBH, I really am.

Follow the money maybe?

What scares me most is the erasure of women. To argue and believe that biological men can become or are women means to fundamentally change the definition of a woman or remove it entirely. Women throughout all of time and currently are extremely vulnerable to men because of our biological differences, as a result we have sex based rights such a right to separate changing rooms, wards, sporting categories etc. If you change the definition of woman to mean something other than adult female, something which allows biological males to enter the category you are removing the rights which help to keep of safe making us even more vulnerable and at risk.

Ultimately if you allow biological males to be considered women then the term woman is meaningless and sex based rights are eradicated.

Gender identity is meaningless and offers no protection or privileges to women, but offers many privileges and protections to men, women and girls cannot identify their way out of sexism, abuse, rape etc. Identifying as a man won’t prevent women from being raped and murdered, but identifying as a woman if you’re a man allows you access to vulnerable women meaning you have more opportunities to abuse, rape and murder. It also in certain circumstances keeps you away from dangerous fellow men.

1984

I remember reading 1984. I actually waited until 1984 to read it for the first time. It was worth the wait.

At the time I could see how it could get to that point, but was thankful that in 1984 it was still to a massive degree science fiction. Obviously cctv, video recorders, very early Sinclair's and commodores were coming into being. Tomorrow's world would show video phones and connected computers. IN YOUR HOUSE! Mobile phones we could carry with us...

However The feeling of dread rose up as I read further that if we weren't careful, that in my lifetime more of it would become a reality.

Not the really out there stuff obviously. No one was going to obliterate the meaning of words and watch and police our every social and non social interaction were they? we wouldn't actually be punished for thinking the non approved thought that day?

It would NEVER get that bad. It couldn't. And if the worst happened and it started to surely people would see it? They'd stand up and rise against it. They wouldn't just blindly sleepwalk into it?

2022

Sighs deeply.

Sorry for my various streams of consciousness today I think I've been deeply affected witnessing so much, so so much "stufffff" come out in the Allison Bailey tribunal.

I am just going to go and do the ONE stereotypical woman thing I do well which is have a cup of tea, wash the dishes, feed the cat, put the washing out, have a quick cry, empty the bin, and cook tea. Yes that stereotypical thing - multitasking.

I'm concerned that my daughter will somehow be persuaded that she is trans. If she likes wearing jeans and tops rather than dresses, or doesn't like wearing make up, or is interested in science and cars (all of these describe me!). And that she/society will expect me to be totally OK with that and put her on hormone blockers at a young age to allow her to transition. I just don't believe that pre-pubescent children can be trans or make that decision for themselves, and parents should be allowed to say no without judgement.

Quick correction to my last post.

I have been called into a meeting with the head of household management.

I would like to make the following statement.

Looks suitably admonished, bites inside of lip. Slight clearing of throat. Big big gulps of water Looks furtively left to where the cat is sitting just out of view...

"Feeding the cat is not. I repeat not an activity that is ever to be carried out whilst multitasking. it is not a task per se but an act of love and devotion to our fluffy rulers which is to always be given full attention. I apologise for mis speaking earlier." Off camera " please Fluffy don't eat me whilst I sleep, I'm sorry I'll do better".

Always follow the money

Hi, what rights do trans people not have?

Yes, agree. I'm most concerned about the ideological capture of education and healthcare, the impact on children (and vulnerable young adults) and the silencing and demonising of any respinsible adult who raises concerns.

Indeed. First they would need to learn what a penis is and how to identify someone that might have one... Of course, by then unimportant stuff like the clitoris, sexual pleasure, and the actual purpose of genitalia will have been long forgotten. Human extinction will soon follow.

[The above assumes that we're as stupid about sex as TRA's believe, of course. Somehow, I beg to differ - although our stupidity about climate change is another thing that might well wipe us out eventually.]

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I hope in 8 years time this shit has been sorted.

@TheBiologyStupid of course it seems stupid now that we could ever get to the point above but we are already seeing children who should know the basics e.g. Girl boy and it needs one of each to make a baby being told there are no girls and boys.

If the law makes it impossible to explain it to them then it won't take long for babies to literally just be being born with no one involved in the process having a clue how it happened! If you extrapolate out the jump that's happened in just the last couple of years in the confusing of language around sex.

By 2086 you'd be at a point where they won't have any physical books to reference. Laws will prohibit certain facts being uttered. Computers will only show you what aligns with politically correct right think. to

The only people who will really know the facts will be some really old librarians locked in the battered fortified remains of dusty old reference libraries with no way to disseminate the information contained within the dusty pages of Midwife Monthly and the Idiots guide to how to make babies to those who need to know it.

And thus in 2134 we cease to exist as a species due to our own utter utter stupidity.

Except for a small tribe in the Amazon jungle who have just invented electricity. Let the whole cycle begin again.

How quickly it's became one rule for women and no rule for men. 'Being kind' is just another way of saying shut the fuck up.

What scares me most is the light it shines on the depth of stupidity of so many of my neighbours and fellow citizens.

Grown-up people who believe men can become women, that there is such a thing as gender identity whose misalignment with sex causes dysphoria, and all the rest of the arrant nonsense; these people have a vote. And they are all really, really, stupid; otherwise they would not - could not - believe such obvious nonsense.

Yes, some people promulgate this shite without really believing it. In a way that's not so scary; there have always been bad people around. But for there to be so many people stupid enough to actually believe men can turn into women and so on? -- That's scary.