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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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PaddleBoardingMomma · 26/05/2022 21:16

Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

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MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 13:42

I expect that might be a bit more likely? Most people are not going to push trans identity onto kids, but many are aware that it's a thing, and most think it's daft. I think it more likely they are operating on very basic: quick glance; long hair = girl, and then presuming your son is confused.

And of course pre-puberty most children don't really have secondary sex characteristics so are fairly androgenous.

Either way, it's creating issues for our children where there really shouldn't be any.

Hope your son finds ways to navigate it. Mine had long hair for a while, he rocked a single hairslide at the time, too.

TambourineOfRepentance · 30/05/2022 13:57

The continuing rise of emotive reasoning.

The disintegration of left wing political thinking at a time when it is really needed.

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 14:45

The continuing rise of emotive reasoning.

It's odd, isn't it? A sort of anti-Enlightenment.

Terfeywithallthetrimmings · 30/05/2022 15:51

The thing that scares me the most is our own personal nightmare of our beautiful daughter who has been totally captured by trans ideology and who is herself transitioning i.e. on testosterone. I wake up in the night with the sheer terror of what she is doing to her body - menopause at 23, deepening voice, heading for double mastectomy as soon as she can afford it, very likely a hysterectomy and permanent sterility in the not too far distant future as well as increased risk of heart disease and the fear of how deeply she will regret what she has done and will she be able to cope with that regret when she realises. And for what? A lunatic ideology that doesn't withstand any scrutiny. The second most frightening thing is the way that so many people go along with it and the total institutional capture. It has destroyed my faith in human nature which used to be strong.

BlackForestCake · 30/05/2022 16:05

People are herd animals. Most of us believe whatever everyone else believes.

People in places like China and Russia aren’t solely scared of the repressive government. They just believe what they’re told. Just like we do.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/05/2022 16:05

Terfeywithallthetrimmings · 30/05/2022 15:51

The thing that scares me the most is our own personal nightmare of our beautiful daughter who has been totally captured by trans ideology and who is herself transitioning i.e. on testosterone. I wake up in the night with the sheer terror of what she is doing to her body - menopause at 23, deepening voice, heading for double mastectomy as soon as she can afford it, very likely a hysterectomy and permanent sterility in the not too far distant future as well as increased risk of heart disease and the fear of how deeply she will regret what she has done and will she be able to cope with that regret when she realises. And for what? A lunatic ideology that doesn't withstand any scrutiny. The second most frightening thing is the way that so many people go along with it and the total institutional capture. It has destroyed my faith in human nature which used to be strong.

So very sorry Terfeywithallthetrimmings It's unbelievably painful when our children are in distress and to have to stand by and watch them making lifelong changes that we know are likely to add to their future distress and problems is so hard. Flowers

DoubleShotEspresso · 30/05/2022 16:13

The speed this ideal has been steamrolled onto society with so little care, consideration or thought about rewriting history, eradicating womens' rights and the rendering anybody who dares query things transphobic or somehow "unwoke/ignorant".
I would like a pause put on everything, some proper research as to the longterm effects on those choosing to follow the process, the wisdom of prepubescent children being given meds (or not) and some genuine consideration into the mixing of our femle only sapces.
Female safety and the disregard for it this stuff brings terrifies me and I find it desperately infuriating to be just expected to go along with this whilst trying to navigate it all with an autistic child.
Give me my voice back, allow me the right to ask questions I can reasonably expect civil but sound answers to and then let's have some positive discussions.
But for now please make it stop.

MagnoliaTaint · 30/05/2022 16:23

I'm so sorry, Terfey. That sounds unimaginably hard.

Cloudburst3 · 30/05/2022 16:35

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 30/05/2022 13:34

That's something that's never occured to me. I always assumed it was that they were deciding he was trans and pushing that onto him, but actually you may be right, they may be thinking he is a biological girl and not be believing him when he says he isn't.

Would you consider discussing with him whether having long hair is worth this to him? Of course I know you shouldn't have to, but is the messing with his mind he's going through worth it?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2022 17:15

He's come to me on occasion to ask me if he's still a boy because others are telling him he's a girl and he get confused.

Do you know who is saying this? If it was at school I would be incandescent. They are misgendering him. Even if the school are as woke as fuck they must know that's wrong.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2022 17:16

I'm also very sorry Terfey Flowers

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 30/05/2022 17:24

Cloudburst3 · 30/05/2022 16:35

Would you consider discussing with him whether having long hair is worth this to him? Of course I know you shouldn't have to, but is the messing with his mind he's going through worth it?

We've had that discussion. There's no way he'll have his hair cut. It's WW3 just getting it trimmed.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 30/05/2022 17:30

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2022 17:15

He's come to me on occasion to ask me if he's still a boy because others are telling him he's a girl and he get confused.

Do you know who is saying this? If it was at school I would be incandescent. They are misgendering him. Even if the school are as woke as fuck they must know that's wrong.

Thankfully his school will not tolerate any bullshit towards him and have come down like a ton of bricks when other kids have made comments. It randoms, although hasn't happened for a while. So last time, for example, he's playing at the park and engaging with an unknown younger child. Parent says to young child 'Get on the seesaw with the big girl.' DS politiely says that he's a boy but the parent says 'no you're not you're a girl'. Hasn't happened for a while which may be down to lack of contact with the world due to covid.

notidentifying22 · 31/05/2022 03:29

The effect on breastfeeding for women and babies.
Transgender Parents and La Leche League

Peregrina · 31/05/2022 09:00

I never really liked the 1950s vibe that LL League put out, although getting past that to the advice they gave was worthwhile. This is an absolute travesty - when is this nonsense going to end? There is still enough work to be done to encourage real women, i.e those with uteruses, vaginas to breast feed, certainly without pandering to Transwomen.

I think the transmen issue is slightly different and here the emphasis needs to be on girls being given puberty blockers and their effects. This is a worthwhile cause, but not one a breastfeeding organisation should get distracted with.

MagnoliaTaint · 31/05/2022 09:37

We've had that discussion. There's no way he'll have his hair cut. It's WW3 just getting it trimmed.

I like his spirit. Grin

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/05/2022 09:56

*BringBackCoffeeCreams I'm glad the school wont stand for it. I guess all you can do is reassure him that sometimes other people make mistakes, even adults? And he can wear his hair how he pleases.

Crazylazydayz · 31/05/2022 11:12

@PaddleBoardingMomma I appreciate you are in a difficult position.

Have you considered submitting your response under the school/LA whistleblowing procedures on the basis of a) safeguarding b) incorrect application of EA 2010?

This would make your response a protected disclosure and hopefully give you protection from unfair treatment.

samsalmon · 31/05/2022 11:48

For me, one of the most depressing things is the absolute complacency of some /many young women in being complicit in the dismantling of women’s rights. It’s speaks to a complete lack of awareness of everything that has gone before and what still goes on. I’ll be doing what I can to make sure my own daughter at least has some idea of these things, what she does with that is up to her.

Phobiaphobic · 31/05/2022 12:15

Terfeywithallthetrimmings · 30/05/2022 15:51

The thing that scares me the most is our own personal nightmare of our beautiful daughter who has been totally captured by trans ideology and who is herself transitioning i.e. on testosterone. I wake up in the night with the sheer terror of what she is doing to her body - menopause at 23, deepening voice, heading for double mastectomy as soon as she can afford it, very likely a hysterectomy and permanent sterility in the not too far distant future as well as increased risk of heart disease and the fear of how deeply she will regret what she has done and will she be able to cope with that regret when she realises. And for what? A lunatic ideology that doesn't withstand any scrutiny. The second most frightening thing is the way that so many people go along with it and the total institutional capture. It has destroyed my faith in human nature which used to be strong.

God, I'm so sorry, @Terfeywithallthetrimmings That must be unimaginably hard.

IamAporcupine · 31/05/2022 17:33

samsalmon · 31/05/2022 11:48

For me, one of the most depressing things is the absolute complacency of some /many young women in being complicit in the dismantling of women’s rights. It’s speaks to a complete lack of awareness of everything that has gone before and what still goes on. I’ll be doing what I can to make sure my own daughter at least has some idea of these things, what she does with that is up to her.

I find this very depressing too.
I am having a on-line discussion with a young woman who said "as a person with vulva, I rather be dead than a TERF"

I dispair

IamAporcupine · 31/05/2022 17:35

@Terfeywithallthetrimmings - It must be so hard Flowers

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