What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

I am terrified for my daughter. I don't matter. I am big enough and ugly enough to be OK.

But I find it heartbreaking that she probably will have less rights than I ever had and also what she is potentially going to be exposed too.

Its not longer an unusual thing for a man to change gender.

I also have a son - I worry far less for him.

This really resonates with me. This is exactly how I feel. I wish I didn't know what I know!

I personally struggle with not speaking straight and being forced to lie. I cannot understand how seemingly intelligent people believe that because a man says he's a woman that he is. Or how we now have "pregnant men".

"I also have a son - I worry far less for him".

The same as it ever was, Live4weekend

I too have often wondered how Nazi Germany happened when they were an educated cultured society, but the last few years have shown me how.

The mentality is the same, the cowardice and stupidity of the masses, keep my head down, maybe they won't come for me. As a society we haven't learned a bloody thing.

The problem is that not enough people spoke out soon enough, until it got to the stage where it was dangerous to do so. Maybe we are not there yet - maybe there is still time.

There seem to be two major issues - that TW are not Women, even ones who have undergone surgery, and certainly not men who think that putting on a dress and heels and slapping make-up on makes them women. This is something that we can all push back on, and say firmly that no we cannot change sex, it's not 'assigned' at birth, and no, we are not accepting the word 'gender' when the word sex is meant.

Then the very serious issue of puberty blockers and what some of the medical profession are prepared to do to children, and how other doctors are afraid to speak out. Justifiably so if they can be struck off. This is much more difficult for those of us not professionally involved but I fully support those who attempt to speak out.

For me it’s how it’s influencing and changing sex specific policy - things like single sex hospital wards, prisons, hostel accommodation, rights to things like female only staff in rape crisis centres and women’s refuges.

Where is the Childrens Commisioner? Barnados, NSPCC?

How can they be so blind to the damage this movement is causing to vulnerable young children?

Only this week the Head Teacher of The Halcyon school in London was in the news stating he saw no problem in trans girls competing against girls in sports....head teacher FFS. How can people so blindly throw away the rights of girls to fair competition and safe single sex spaces.

I am thinking "out loud" so forgive me for posting again but what also scares me is how 'gender' has become a thing. To me, gender has always been a set of stereotypes that differ for males and females depending on where in the world they live. Now it seems that gender is this strange protected thing and actually most of what they describe as gender is just...personality. Does any of that make sense

The main thing for me is the absolute rage directed at anyone who doesn’t fully and wholeheartedly agree with everything Trans ideology says and the complicity from organisations. It used to be ok to disagree about something without rape threats (or job loss at a minimum) and I can’t think of any issue before that’s had such a violent backlash to dissenters.
Its the lack of sensible discourse that I find so shocking, I don’t pretend to know everything and I may even be wrong about some things but how am I supposed to learn or even change my view on things when I have to 100% support something or be labelled evil (and worse)? The more name calling the more likely I am to entrench my position

The way so many women are colluding in their own erasure.
The cowardly media that play along with this nonsense.
That powerful (apparently) organisations, businesses, poiticians, Government etc. allow themselves to be bullied by a minority of what is essentially an elite cabal of self-righteous, virtue-signalling sinister groups such as Stonewall.

But most of all, that no one (yes journalists I am looking at you) has ever totally uncovered the real political and economic agenda behind all this, which is obviously aimed at disrupting/destroying families and culture as we know it. Journalists - do your fucking job.

Because it's not real.

And people are too scared to say so.

It's being driven by money, and men's sexual rights.

Making people think it's a civil rights issue or a medical issue (depending on where you are in the bait and switch) is the means to silence the dissent of well meaning people. And threats and intimidation is the means to silence everyone else.

It's the tool of collective fear that, appropriately enough, I find most frightening.

The total kowtowing to the movement is so strange. It’s pretty much absolute. They represent such a teeny tiny minority* and yet have been afforded such immense influence.

*if we ignore that they are primarily actually just ‘men’ and of course the privileged majority with huge power and influence, used to getting everything their own way always. Ahhhhhh. I see it now.

The scary thing for me is where will it end. I do believe the tide will turn. But what is going to push it back.

I was chatting to a young member of staff whose sister is trans male. Her sister has known for a long while that she is a lesbian but is uncomfortable with the idea of a relationship with another woman. She feels she needs to identify as male in order to be with a woman. I suspect that she thinks that as a man she will be able to have a relationship with a heterosexual woman rather than with another lesbian.
This suggests that young lesbian are all sorts of fucked up with their thinking. I wonder if anyone has actually explained to her that on a very basic level she will end up with a very limited choice of life partners. Lesbian women tend to fancy women and heterosexual women tend to fancy men. There is probably a very small number of women who will fit her chosen group.
Has the indoctrination of young people now convinced them that being homosexual necessitates a change of gender or are they hoping that by transitioning they will be able to attract heterosexual partners of their own sex. It’s all so mixed up.
Im afraid as a heterosexual woman I would not entertain a sexual relationship with another woman however they identify. My sexual preference has always been genetic men. And to clarify I wouldn’t rule out a trans woman since my basic instincts still recognise them as male, if that makes sense.
Basically these young people are being encouraged to change sex rather than accept their sexuality because it’s somehow easier or more acceptable. Gay activists must be very frustrated by this movement away from sexual freedom of expression.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus that Triggernometry interview with the undercover cop was outstanding. I recommend that to everyone. I didn't really have an opinion either way on the issue before watching that, but the guy was utterly convincing for me.

What scares me the most? The medicalisation of gay and autistic children. The total capture of institutions created to protect vulnerable people (and women and children specifically) - and the inevitable backlash when the house of cards comes crashing down. Which it will. I genuinely worry for LGB - as they've been tied unquestioningly into the same cohort making outrageous demands. And organisations who do good work on other matters will likely lose legitimacy and funding. I really believe it will all unravel and unravel quite quickly when it does.

Like a lot of people, for me it was how an absurd idea - gender identity - could take hold so rapidly and be put beyond question. Gender identity is relatively harmless. Imagine if some other irrational but far more destructive idea took off in the same way. I've lost faith in people's intelligence, to be honest.

Its the women that will look you in the face and say 'trans women are women' with out even blinking.

That scares me the most. Men will always try and subdue women, I think its in their nature - but women helping them do it.. That for me is the worst.

Even in the WKD-bleared fug of 90s provincial nightclubs, "no" was understood to mean "no". You chatted someone up, they weren't interested, fair enough, move on.

Now saying "no" is problematic. Disappointing. Not quite reasonable. Something to be questioned. Awfully old fashioned and bigoted really. Not just when dating, but saying "no" to anything that makes you uncomfortable.

Be Kind is now important than personal boundaries.

This insofar as it affects me. The word woman is absent from most of the liberal-leaning abortion debate in the US. "People's" health will be affected though. Woman is now a word to be avoided even in the context of pregnancy and birth. Can there be any greater contempt for women?

Insofar as it doesn't really affect me personally, I am concerned for women in prisons and shelters and rape crisis centres but I think the irreversible medical treatment of children and young adults robbing them of sexual function and enjoyment is monsterous and I sincerely hope the medical professionals who facilitate it get their asses sued to kingdom come eventually. I heard a doctor who treats adolescents with gender issues on the radio recently who described how her patients might present - she could have been describing my dd when aged 12-14 and undergoing a major depression. luckily we were able to get her psychiatric help and therapy.

I always knew women were held in contempt, so this has not been a revelation for me. But the inability of people to use the word No, to stand up for themselves, and to do what is right... The years of utter lying, self-serving cowardice on display truly sums up the mess that has been the past decade.

SexyLittleNosferatu · Today 12:40

I am thinking "out loud" so forgive me for posting again but what also scares me is how 'gender' has become a thing. To me, gender has always been a set of stereotypes that differ for males and females depending on where in the world they live. Now it seems that gender is this strange protected thing and actually most of what they describe as gender is just...personality. Does any of that make sense Confused

It was also the word to use if you were too prudish to use "sex" when "sex" was what you meant.

I, like many many of us reading these boards was sexually abused, emotionally abused etc. as a child.

Now obviously that brings with it a whole host of issues. But the one that has always served me well is the feeling of dread.

For me it was instinctive. I was obviously always on edge and alert, so I knew that the moment the feeling of dread, and the deep down knot inside feeling,
appeared that something bad, even more bad than the usual shit that was life, was about to happen.

It’s served me well through life. I don’t like it when I experience it. But I never ignore it.

What scares me most about state of trans ideology? It cause the feeling of dread in me.

on a more less about me tangent.

what scares me the most (this is likely to change at multiple points in the day depending on what I have just read that is currently making me go ???????) is if we aren't able to stop the worst of this double think getting into law.

It will eventually be shown for what it is and the current co-hort of young adults and children currently being swept up in the gender not sex issue will be the very very angry adults of tomorrow who aren't able to access the things they need because there are no words or services left to cater to them.

ALL of them. this will affect everyone in the future.

You've got a problem with your prostate? First off you probably won't even know if you even have a prostate? because you won't know that there are different bits in different sexes because there are no different sexes!

That it will be 8 years before we can see you because we have to work our way through thousands of consulting appointments where we have to waste a slot explaining to the person in front of us that they don't have a prostate, and why they don't have a prostate? I mean it seems so stupid. but this is where the current think lead.

It all makes more sense once you realise that even the people who genuinely think they believe this stuff don't actually do so.

You can see that whenever people try to explain why they believe - it's full of contradictions and inconsistencies. My favourite example was the health organisation trying to get it right and saying (in an article on sports bras" "bras are worn by AFAB people" - which of course could actually be deemed transphobic. It's how you end up with phrases like "men and birthing people" - they know that saying "women" is bad and "birthing people" good but of course know that only women give birth so just end up substituting one word for the other.

And of course you get the sheer anger when the beliefs are challenged because people know deep down they can't defend them.

What I find most depressing is how deep seated female socialisation to be "nice" really is - happy to see females demoted to extras in their own sports beuase good girls aren't really competitive and bold. Someone Tweeted yesterday how women's sports should be really "radical" and not be competitive at all - so males and females would be given totally different ideas of what sport should mean for them. And of course no female should ever expect to become rich and famous through sport!

Just horrendously sexist and dreesed up in spurious "radicalism".