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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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PaddleBoardingMomma · 26/05/2022 21:16

Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

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Thelnebriati · 26/05/2022 21:19

The scale of it, how fast its taken hold, and how easily its overridden existing rights of other people. I hope the 'cotton ceiling' evidence given in the Alison Bailey case is going to make a few people wake up.

I'm really worried because The Equality Act expires in only 8 years time, and I don't know if we'll have any protection after that.

happydappy2 · 26/05/2022 21:27

For me it’s the fact that males convicted of sexual offences against women, can apply for a GRC from a mens prison and get it, then be moved to a womens prison. Any woman could end up in prison….look at the post office scandal, women were sent to prison (wrongly.) Women in poverty unfortunately can and do end up in prison, women with poor mental health, etc etc. Boris Johnson is fully aware of this situation yet does nothing. Sadiq Khan says TWAW….it’s just awful

Dedododo · 26/05/2022 22:14

The thought of a child either experiencing, or being born from an avoidable rape; occurring in a formerly single sex space.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/05/2022 22:15

How good people have fallen for such an absurd charade, when it literally makes no sense.

WalkerWalking · 26/05/2022 22:17

For me it was the concept of "no debate" and then how rapidly that was accepted, especially by universities. Our highest institutes of education very forcibly telling young people they mustn't think?!! Proper 1984 meets the handmaid's tale vibes.

I don't have quite that same feeling of pure helplessness and terror, like a lead weight in my stomach, any more.

Thelnebriati · 26/05/2022 22:22

I was happier before I knew how many people were just waiting for the chance to scold others.

5zeds · 26/05/2022 22:23

For me it’s the stereotyping and the bullying. I’m fifty and I can’t believe the idea that there are boys/girls colours and toys and subjects. It’s like a nightmare. I grew up in the 70s child of the most suburban of suburban lifestyles. My parents were not unusual or cool and they would have never thought such horse shit let alone pushed it on us. It’s alien to me and I just don’t get it! The horror if you disagree, question or discuss….it’s like a bad movie. WTF is going on???? It’s like waking up surrounded by rednecks or deep in the KKK and being told that racism is normal, desirable and mandatory.

5oclockhero · 26/05/2022 22:24

I think I am most scared about what's happening to kids - how they are being misled and brainwashed into making life- altering changes, and how we are supposed to applaud this.

I am also depressed by how so many people just can't understand the issues. The TRA mantras are just so easy to parrot - but getting your head around why non-binary actually reinforces stereotypes (for example) is beyond lots of people.

Featuredcreature · 26/05/2022 22:26

That a good proportion of people can seemingly be convinced to believe something that is obviously not true. Also the depth of misogyny in society, I knew it was bad, didn't know quite how bad it is before.

whiteroseredrose · 26/05/2022 22:29

For me initially it was the lack of logic.

I feel like I'm in some strange, dystopian Emperor's New Clothes world.

Obviously you can't expect to be considered a woman just because you think it or say it.

That's not how the sane world works.

If you're not female genetically, physiologically or anatomically you are not a woman.

And 'no debate'?? Of course people can't put up a good argument for it because it is utter nonsense. So they are not prepared to listen.

Why on earth are people believing this rubbish???

Then of course there is the mass fear / brainwashing of chunks of the population. Politicians are running scared. There can be dreadful herd-based consequences for speaking the truth.

It's like being in an Orwellian novel.

frostedfruit · 26/05/2022 22:29

That it's skewing the crime rate making it look like women are committing violent crime when it is in fact men with dresses on telling the police they are women. The aggression and balaclava wearing by trans activists scares me. The bomb threats made to our local community hall when Womens Place UK wanted to meet there was horrific.
They present as hostile, aggressive, violent and hateful.

ResisterRex · 26/05/2022 22:31

It's what's been decided as off limits - "no debate". Because what's next on the list, and who could truly say they were happy to live in a society where unelected and unaccountable individuals get to decide what can and cannot be said?

The fact Parliament has been undermined should shake us to the core.

MsTSwift · 26/05/2022 22:35

Read How To Stop Time - book about a man who ages slowly. He gets to see that each few generations have the same issues but they manifest slightly differently. I genuinely feel the extreme trans ideology is like the witch finders a few centuries ago / Macarthyism in America or the Spanish inquisition. A mad idea that that takes hold and the sane non believers are then persecuted by the new zealots

Dogmum40 · 26/05/2022 22:37

For me i now feel we have no safe space to call our own, I was a victim of domestic violence and went to female only support groups but that isn’t allowed anymore as we have to be inclusive and also the fact I have to share my identity with trans, I’m a woman with a womb but I’m not allowed to referred to a woman, the word woman appears to be a negative word which isn’t allowed to be muttered in our society!

Female rights will soon be a thing of the past as we have to be tolerant for trans people and their rights but what about ours?

Thelnebriati · 26/05/2022 22:37

That the taxpayer has been forking out millions of pounds every year in return for illegal advice which has undermined the Civil Service, NHS and MOJ. And that those organisations have gone along with the advice.

Slothtoes · 26/05/2022 22:39

Wait what fresh hell..? An expiry date on the Equality Act?!!

Whatsnewpussyhat · 26/05/2022 22:40

How readily people are so willing to go along with such blatant absurdity.

How quickly governments around the globe are pushing through new legislation based on nothing but emotional blackmail and feelings, with zero evidence, facts or thought to the consequences, which not only cements unreality into law, but simultaneously makes it a crime to question the bullshit.

ZandathePanda · 26/05/2022 22:41

Barristers and even female judges being followers (from todays tribunal).

Also the dismissal of biology and it’s repercussions on health. I am a biology teacher and speak in terms of biology. This gender swap = sex change is like saying the earth is flat.

MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2022 22:41

The erasure of words from language made me feel like it was happening to us

The inclusion of mother in the HoL amendment really moved me

Thelnebriati · 26/05/2022 22:41

I might have misunderstood that - IDK if it only applies to all women shortlists or not.

ZandathePanda · 26/05/2022 22:41

Its not it’s - autocorrect!

lifeissweet · 26/05/2022 22:44

At the moment I feel hopeless about my 10 year old DD.

We have talked about it and she is aware of my views. She knows I am a feminist and I'm bringing her up to understand the myriad different ways of being a woman and what being a woman means.

But I also feel like I need to tell her to keep these ideas to herself, to not get into arguments and to keep her head down. I don't want her scolded, punished or bullied for agreeing with me.

How is that right?

theleafandnotthetree · 26/05/2022 22:44

I started a thread to share a link to Bill Maher's New Rules monologue from last week (I think) but here it is . Funny, common sense, astute and getting a shit tonne of support in the comments, praise the Lord.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/05/2022 22:58

happydappy2 · 26/05/2022 21:27

For me it’s the fact that males convicted of sexual offences against women, can apply for a GRC from a mens prison and get it, then be moved to a womens prison. Any woman could end up in prison….look at the post office scandal, women were sent to prison (wrongly.) Women in poverty unfortunately can and do end up in prison, women with poor mental health, etc etc. Boris Johnson is fully aware of this situation yet does nothing. Sadiq Khan says TWAW….it’s just awful

Triggernometry: Neil Woods is a former UK police officer who spent fourteen years (1993-2007) infiltrating drug gangs as an undercover police officer. Neil is now an active member of the international drug policy reform movement.

Undercover Cop: "Drug Policing Makes Things Worse"

Woods gives a very helpful overview of the interplay of the war on drugs facilitating the exploitation of vulnerable people and increasing the rate at which they end up in prison (women are imprisoned for low-level drug crimes in UK prisons).

PaddleBoardingMomma · 26/05/2022 23:05

These replies are all really moving. Sadly they are also concerning in equal measure. I'm so sad that this is the society we are living in. I don't know about you guys but I almost feel entirely powerless against the tidal wave of it all.

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