What scares you most about state of trans ideology

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Musing over a few things this evening with a friend, talking about not only sanitary product companies but also make up brands jumping on the band wagon, new gender neutral toilets at work, the debacle of men being allowed in womens changing rooms, children being allowed hormone blockers and so on.

But out of everything, the thing that really frightens me most is how on earth im supposed to raise my daughters in amongst all this. We have always been respectful of peoples choice and differences, we try to instil this in the girls. However it's getting harder to keep the balance and explain things without having to get into why they as girls are on the back foot, pushed out of things and why they need to understand the dynamics and implications. I suppose im resentful that it's gotten to this point?

Anyway, what is it about the current climate that really gets to you the most?

On a personal level...
How the bullying my DD has recieved in the past at Primary school for liking "boy" things might manifest itself at Secondary schoo. Hopefully it won't.

I'm hoping the youth will find another battle soon. It was Anti War in my day. While I hope there isn't another Iraq, there's environmentalism or antiracism.... and the Russia situation.

Because its the natural conclusion to the fact that lesbians are being coerced ny males. That bounderies are offensive/transphobic. To the fact if kids can consent to puberty blockers and surgery then you cant say they cant consent to anything else. You cant discuss the power dynamics between males and females because female now have all the power compared to trans people even when they are being pimped out/raped etc

Because questioning choices or outcomes or anything now, is something to be offended about because we can no longer look at groups/classes of people ,.power dynamics and consent , we have to look at individual cases , and any negative opinions are a direct bigoted attack wanting to remove choices from people .

I think there is so much about this ideology to be very worried about. I’m completely baffled how anyone can take it seriously- I just can’t wrap my head around it. I’m not the sharpest but I don’t get how anyone can see/hear this stuff and not think it’s pure batshit crazy.
I think it’s concerning how few people even know what’s going on, though I am hopeful to see people slowly waking up.

Most of all I’m terrified for our children.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the erasure of womens rights is just a prelude to snatching away childrens rights and safeguarding, and I fear it has already begun.

The dismissal of safeguarding and lack of understanding of safeguarding by people in power.

The way the debate is so polarised and how it fits in to the much bigger picture of polarised debate on social media and democracy being undermined / manipulated by algorithms

That inclusivity is now ALL about the T. Any other minority or underrepresented groups are forgotten.
To me, the rainbow flag used to mean a place or person was genuinely welcoming and understanding, now it represents exclusion, bullying and intolerance.

The idea - and how quickly and easily it took hold - that men can be women on their say so, that it is good and right to believe this and bad and hateful to deny it. The way seemingly intelligent and compassionate people have not only embraced this idea but the way some of them aggressively police and shame and denounce anyone who questions this.

Also the realisation that there are so many men out there who absolutely hate women and who have been waiting for the opportunity to vent that hatred, provided on a plate by trans ideology. Little OJ, Jolyon M, Michael Cashman. They fucking hate us and in a different time would have gellefully burned us at the stake.

Children. That they're being gaslit into believing their bodies can be wrong and need fixing with drugs and surgery. That the institutions tasked with supporting / protecting them have been captured and instead are enabling these toxic beliefs. That they're taught that facts and science are untrue and even transphobic with women's / feminist history being mangled.

There's so much of this that is wrong, but what is happening to children is completely unforgivable. They're the co opted human shields for some very dangerous people.

Children. That they're being gaslit into believing their bodies can be wrong and need fixing with drugs and surgery

Given mermaids and stonewall no longer say the whole wrong body thing, nothing seems to be being done to ensure that materials being taught to kids don't leave them with that message. It's odd bit obviously not surprising.

How much men, and some women hate women, and that they literally cannot bear us to be allowed to discuss things that affect us.
This thread will soon be full of MRA/TRA posters abusing, goading and hectoring us for daring to have this conversation, obsessedly trying to derail the thread.
The constant monitoring is exhausting.

But I also feel like I need to tell her to keep these ideas to herself, to not get into arguments and to keep her head down. I don't want her scolded, punished or bullied for agreeing with me.

This. The fact that laws are being introduced that would make it a crime to refer to someone's sex rather than gender is terrifying. Are we going to have to teach our girls to lie about reality?

It's the Humpty Dumpty quote isn't it? They've been told they can't say "born in the wrong body" so they simply use weasel words to push the identical belief. Until schools are challenged and forced to remove political lobby groups, nothing will change - and with all the unions captured and young teachers straight out of the intimidation factories universities, that will be a battle.

When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less

So many good posts in this thread OP.

I still can't understand how women simply saying no and trying to protect their boundaries is genuinely considered hate speech now. Just saying 'hold on, that's not right' is 'hateful'. This would not be happening to any other group.

The fact that their “psychological safety” is more valued and protected when women must once again put up and shut up when we attempt to demand what WE need to feel physically and psychologically safe.
That they have the ability to control the entire narrative simply by accusing women of bias or bigotry when women demand the same rights.
The fact that Self-ID doesn’t require medical castration to the ensure physical safety of the women who are locked in with these people and can’t get away from them, as well as an easier, safer option for them if they are forced to be accountable for their own crimes.
Self-ID does not work in both directions. Imagine a woman choosing to Self-ID as a man to allow her to swim topless in a public pool surrounded by horny teenagers, little kids and elderly people…. There is no way they wouldn’t get arrested.

Watching female athletes come second in sport. Watching the abuse female sports people get for questioning?

reading today that a Norwegian women is being prosecuted for saying there are two sexes.

listening to the absolute nonsense spoken by lawyers and judges at Allison’s IT for discrimination. God help the rest of us at work, in schools and the NHS.

reading about a very senior Consultant who has transitioned and posts about wearing the nurses uniform d how they told a young girl that they couldn’t be seen by a woman and that they were a woman. It’s abuse and gaslighting.

My biggest worry is the impact on my daughter (and her friends). There is a boy in her year that has now identified as a girl.. I had a discussion with DD that it's entirely acceptable to be unwilling to share a changing space with someone with a penis irrespective of how they identify, she does not need to "be kind" in that situation, and at 12, nearly 13, she was uncomfortable that she might have to say that, more uncomfortable about saying it than sharing a changing space with someone who has a penis.

We are setting girls up to feel unable to say when they are not comfortable or feel unsafe because they will be accused of being transphobic, even though most of her year group don't even understand the words. I'm an HCP - we have had several discussions about how biology matters, she loves science, she understands how biology matters, yet she is hearing that humans can change sex just because they say so.

Plus the constant rhetoric of having to identify as something - she showed me a calendar with a different pride flag for each day of the month - 31 different flags, some sexualities, some gender identification. At 12, she's now worrying about how she should identify (even though neither her nor I understood the definition of at least half of them).

The way that it reinforces the horribly damaging sex stereotypes. Girls can’t be whatever they want, have the rights they own. Boys too, but the awful truth is that it is women’s rights that are more under threat.

Plenty of things (and I’m sorry for not RTFT but will look later) but I have a very, very knee-jerk, protective-to-all-girls-and-women reaction to the idea of males posing as women in women’s private spaces especially where these women may be in some way vulnerable (changing rooms, toilets), and a very, very visceral response to images of the young women who have been supported and aided in their appalling levels of self harm by the adults and medics surrounding them (who should be PROTECTING them) and undergone double mastectomies. The brutal scars on their blank chests make me cry.

Reading in local news about the defendant who raped her victim ….and another who exposed her penis to children… I’ve complained to the paper itself and they say they’re only reporting the Court proceedings…. The impact of Stonewall on the judiciary and press has destroyed their credibility

All of it concerns me.

The way the medical profession have turned centuries of practice and biological facts upside down and inside out has been jaw dropping. The midwifery text book and course content rubbish seemed more of an April Fools prank. But students are actually being taught this nonsense!

Universities and schools have turned into places where critical thinking is frowned upon and are dangerous places to discuss disagreement with gender ideology.

The links to Autism and vulnerable young people getting steered towards damaging medical procedures.

There's so many others but those are my main ones.

What scares me most is the refusal of the majority to stand up and question, have the discussions, and work through the issues and ideas, even when the most vulnerable (children) are at high risk of harm. What gives me most hope is the growing number of women who have been courageous enough to do just that, and are empowering others to start to speak. I hear on the ground that the "respect my sex" campaign is focussing minds on the political front. Future generations may yet look back on the key names in this fight with gratitude and respect, because they stood up to a powerful and damaging force claiming people can be born in the wrong body. We just have to continue to give them our support. How have we got to 2022 as a species able to make that claim??!!

Apart from the general Emperor’s New Clothes madness, I was set to thinking yesterday when a fellow dog walker sort of hissed under her breath, “Have you seen the Ricky Gervais?” as if she were putting herself on the line and I might denounce her as a heretic in front of the whole park.

Also dd at university said that other students dance around the whole subject to find other gender critical (ie normal ) people with whom they can eye roll about wokery. Dd went off to university full of wokedom, but now, having had it thrust down her throat all the time she is firmly on the feminist bus.

I am scared about schools. Dn is a trans activist (not trans herself) and also a primary school teacher. She absolutely loves all the non-binary stuff. “Normal” seems to have been recast as “boring”.

None of it “scares” me. All of it makes me fucking furiously angry.
I’m a 70s radfem, and seeing these misogynist TRAs trampling all over the rights my generation fought for is utterly sickening.

May I say that this is a great thread. Awful subject but the responses are brilliant. I thought Scully's answer nailed it:

"its the natural conclusion to the fact that lesbians are being coerced ny males. That bounderies are offensive/transphobic. To the fact if kids can consent to puberty blockers and surgery then you cant say they cant consent to anything else. You cant discuss the power dynamics between males and females because female now have all the power compared to trans people even when they are being pimped out/raped etc

Because questioning choices or outcomes or anything now, is something to be offended about because we can no longer look at groups/classes of people ,.power dynamics and consent , we have to look at individual cases , and any negative opinions are a direct bigoted attack wanting to remove choices from people ."

It baffles me how the Tories are still essentially fence-sitting, or doing nowhere near enough. Don't they see the value in boundaries?? In speaking up for them?

I'm politically homeless (ex-Labour voter like so many of us here) but the idea that Labour might win frighten the fucking life out of me. Because if they do, then all the boundaries we have (had?) will definitely go.

They'll also crack down on "hate speech" ie free speech ie what's on this thread. Again I don't understand why the Tories don't fight that fight. It's them all over, I thought??

Maybe they're waiting for the Cass Review. Seems to me there's a LOT of things riding on that. The outcomes of Cass (building on Keira), Maya and Allison. Our rights are coming down to reviews and specific cases. That is terrifying because the government could have stepped up years ago and didn't.

We're only here because of brave women and FWR, and crowdfunding. And we're still better off than many other countries! Bizarrely, our Lords might also have helped save us from Total Capitulation To Gender Ideology.

Sorry to derail with going into party politics but that's where my head went!!! Makes my head spin.

Not teaching at the moment but if I do go back I will be clear that I am teaching about biology and be firm on it. People can not change sex. People can be homosexual or bisexual. People can have personality types/can like things that align to regressive stereotyped gender ideals/ a mixture, or the opposite. Happy to try and remember to swap pronouns as I feel for all the pupils who are caught up in this but I will always challenge sex can change. It can’t.

What scares me most is the number of people who think the decimation of women's rights is okay. Especially the women who think that.

Also that people can't see the impact of this social contagion on children. I never knew so many could be so wilfully blind and stupid.