Why the hate?

[Aqublu]

One thing I really don’t get about mumsnet is all the trans- hate could anyone really explain why there’s so much hate really. I’d just like to add really that there needs to be a separation from misogyny and transphobia when mumsnet mums talk about trans people they’re both issues but trans people haven’t started misogyny so I don’t know why they’re blamed for it all the time.

Miss Americana is what it was called.

They Only ever post once on these threads don't they?

They are usually deleted for being for being silly.

I read that in the voice of the mum from Life of Brian.

I've seen Taylor live BTW. Bloody awesome.

OP can you see how not wanting to agree with an ideology/belief that there's no evidence for is being twisted and wrongly called "transphobia"? The reason for this is that gender ideologists (NOT "trans people") don't have logical arguments or evidence for what they are trying to make people think and accept in the name of their ideology. They cannot debate or argue on a rational basis. So they make accusations of "transphobia" to try to shut down reasonable objections, concerns, even just questions.

It's like an abusive partner when you say why haven't they done the dishes like they said they would, or why did they text another woman, and they go "oh so you hate me, you're saying I'm a bastard, why do you hate me so much" and play the victim.

You could sing that to Ride of the Valkyrie with a bit of editing.

I typed it in the very same voice!

I hope you’ll come back to this thread OP, to give people the examples they’ve asked for of all this horrid transphobia. We can’t report them unless you show us.

trans people haven’t started misogyny

No, that's true. But some groups of trans activists are perpetuating it by refusing to listen to what women are trying to tell them about safe spaces, language and child protection issues. And the reality of the female biological life. I have to have my uterus scraped out once or twice a year. It's unpleasant and undignified and is something that I didn't 'identify' into: it's because I was born a biological female and my ageing hormones and body have gone a bit mad. Give me the dignity of at least being referred to as a 'woman'. I'm sick of going onto FB groups for women with similar conditions and seeing people being lectured for starting posts with 'Hello ladies' when they simply want advice or reassurance from other adult females on difficult and sometimes very serious medical conditions.

I'd be really interested in the OP's responses to some of these excellent points @Aqublu hello?

OP I'm happy that you are concerned about bigotry. I do hope you report any such posts to Mumsnet so they can delete them and give the poster a warning/suspension/ban depending on the number of times they've offended.

I am sure, as you care enough to ask it here, that you are also asking your question on a forum that has a fruit rhyming with "sheewee" in its title? I would be interested to hear how the replies you receive there compare with those here. Especially if you're planning on screenshotting them to post elsewhere. I

I agree. I find the toxicity so upsetting

Hi @Aqublu could you please give us an example of transphobia that you have seen on this board? It would be really helpful if you could tell us as much as possible otherwise it is impossible to respond. I am quite surprised as there are strict rules on this board (pinned) and anything transphobic should be reported and will be deleted (and indeed has in the past). We don’t tolerate hatred of any group.

Live and let live. Posters on this feminism board are feminists and therefore centre females in their feminism. I can’t speak for them, but certainly my intention is to protect the rights of women and girls, and I am naturally suspicious when these rights are eroded, often by trans rights activists (note: not all trans people or indeed not necessarily trans people at all) and instead of being able to discuss women’s concerns or fear responses (perhaps because of previous experiences of violence and abuse), women are shouted down, much in the same way as their abusers have previously. It just rubs women the wrong way and puts our hackles up.

This is a place to discuss things openly, so I hope that you feel welcomed to do the same. Could
you please share what you have read here that is transphobic? Please also report those posts as I hope that any of us would too.

Unless you see wanting to preserve single sex spaces to protect our and our children’s safety, privacy and dignity as ‘hate’, I don’t see any hate here.

Oh I love these "MN is so horribly transphobic and you're all nasty mummies for saying awful things" threads. They're always such a breath of fresh air and utterly insightful...

Not.

@maddy68 in lieu of the OP, who sadly seems to have done a drive by plop, could you describe the toxicity that you find upsetting? What sort of posts do you object to that fall within the talk guidelines?

I agree. I find the toxicity so upsetting

Toxicity is what brought me here. When I started to be worried was during a women's conference. They'd made it biological women only. I was quite shocked, that seemed wrong. But the reason was that when discussions on FGM, abortion, rape and other biological issues were raised, there was a chorus of 'exclusion!!!' and 'triggering'. And I couldn't understand why the obvious biologically centred women's issues couldn't be discussed by women. Either invite transwomen and be told you're triggering and exclusionary, exclude transwomen and be told you're discriminatory and exclusionary, or shut up about women's issues entirely.

Which is least 'toxic'?

I wonder when the OP will return.

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What hate? This is people discussing a serious topic of public interest.

@Aqublu

Did you mean to post this in the LGBT section? This board is about women's rights.

Let's make a parallel argument...

Say there was another forum out there that was deeply worried about harms lesbians might cause to each other or straight women - and they unfortunately could get stats to back some of their assertions up - studies that show women in relationships with other women are more likely to experience domestic abuse than women in straight relationships, lesbians being vastly over-represented in American jails www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/lbq_women_prisons_jails.html, (and making the case that this over-representation was due to increased inherent criminality in lesbians rather than due to any factors like discrimination, minority stress experienced by lesbians etc) and also referred to stats about assaults sexual or otherwise by women on women in jails. And they used this to make a case against lesbians, looking for segregation in jails along the lines of sexuality, and started a resource thread with posts like:

metro.co.uk/2021/05/04/killer-who-hid-flatmates-dismembered-body-in-suitcases-jailed-for-life-14517153/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6855299/Lesbian-killer-prostitute-insists-disappearance-brother.html

Would such a thread, entitled 'It will never happen- resource thread - lesbian crimes' constitute hate against lesbians?

@GiveMyHeadPeaceffs I have to laugh when I see the usual suspects on Twitter call MN a transphobic hate site. It’s a parenting site! I assume they are including all the boards which have discussions about puppies, getting babies off to sleep, MILs, weddings and jobs. Hateful, all of it!

Link didn't seem to come through on that post, maybe now

www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/lbq_women_prisons_jails.html

..And they used this to make a case against lesbians, looking for segregation in jails along the lines of sexuality, and started a resource thread with posts
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@suggestionsplease1

That's not a parallel argument, lesbians are women.

A parallel argument would be if some adults wanted to be treated as children and we argued for 'segregation' of things like nursery, play parks and getting your nappy change on the basis of age.