A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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@PenelopePipPip - if men could lactate to the same quantity as woman, the male in the medical study someone quoted would have been able to feed his baby for more than 6 weeks. The fact that he couldn't suggests that women's breasts are designed for breastfeeding, not men's.

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How can you possibly prove he gets sexual satisfaction from it?!

I saw this on breastfeeding and beyond fb group this morning. The comments were so disappointing everyone was delighted.

If there is any child that needs formula desperately it's this poor baby.

Penelope you won't be taking the other drugs the TW is though. Im aware of 2 mums local to me who've had to use the protocol.

I believe when this has happened with TW they are unable to sustain enough to feed the baby.

Also, it has the potential to (selfishly) mess up the milk supply for the actual mother. As it is a delicate balance of demand and supply.

This is a case of where, as seems common with children in families with trans identified parents, the adults' feelings and priorities are placed above the infants.'

This x 100.

In this case that baby is a vanity project and it's a fucking disgrace.

That looks extremely unhealthy for the unfortunate child having to drink such chemically induced ''Milk''

I'm pro breast feeding, but in this instance, Formula all the way! Mother's milk is naturally produced.

This is just selfish vanity on behalf of the person doing the ''Chest'' ''Feeding''.

''Domperidone has been banned in the U.S. given the FDA's concerns with its safety. The agency also stated in 2004 that it is unapproved for this off-label use to increase milk production. For that reason, it can be difficult to acquire.''

I've wanted to use this pic for so long...

Two very interesting Twitter threads on this topic with links to relevant studies from a (GC) biologist:

twitter.com/Frollein_VogelV/status/1527236367348277248?s=20&t=Z8UBh_cRfqH0iy8A0T9obg

twitter.com/Frollein_VogelV/status/1470819010090520582

The threads are in German but you can just click on 'translate tweet' at the bottom of each tweet.

I agree with the drug laden ''Milk'' that will be forced into the mouth of that poor unfortunate child.

Formula would be much safer than this artificially produced secretion.

Jesus Christ.

I've never seen a bigger Red Flag EVER

Putting aside the debate on trans parents and whether this is right or wrong - I’m seriously impressed that this is physically possible. I’m no biology expert, so I had no idea that breast milk could be produced in somebody born without the female reproductive system. Medical science is amazing👏

A woman is an adult human female.

A Bull cannot become a cow.
A Horse cannot become a Mare.
A Dog cannot become a Bitch
A Ram cannot become a Ewe.

Simple Biology.

This previous thread is pertinent, but comes with a serious warning.

I wouldn't be able to read if I was feeding a newborn or young baby.

Queering of Motherhood. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4377013-queering-of-motherhood-warning

Anything is possible if you fill somebody to the brim with drugs. I mean, look at Donald Trump.

(Care of Shero Genevieve Gluck.)

1 Welfare of the child.
(1)When a court determines any question with respect to
(a)the upbringing of a child
the child’s welfare shall be the court’s paramount consideration.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/41/section/1

@Clymene I never said male breasts could produce the same quantities of ilk as female breasts. I don't think breasts have been designed to do anything. We evolved.

Female breasts have certainly evolved to produce greater quantities of milk with less intervention than male breasts. But male breasts can and do produce milk.

Fewer than 1 in 4 human infants are exclusively fed breastmilk at 6 weeks in England.

Its a fair point that introducing supplementary feeding from co-breastfeeding could interrupt supply for the other parent @WarriorN but that is presumably also a risk for lesbian parents who co-breastfeed. If it is a risk both parents are aware of and take into account in their decision-making presumably thats OK. If one parent bullies the other to allow them to breastfeed the baby at a cost to the other that isn't but that is because bullying is not OK.

I don't think we can conclude that "as seems common with children in families with trans identified parents, the adults' feelings and priorities are placed above the infants." How do families make decisions about infant feeding? They seem quite personal to me and we simply don't know how these decisions are reached in private.

Well, the question is: is it really the same as female breast milk? The biologist I quoted earlier seems to disagree and descirbes it as greasy watery secretions with a cocktail of drug residues and an unknown amount of wound fluid and pus minus the perfectly balanced nutrients and antibodies babies get from actual breast milk.

*I don't know what men are 'meant' to do. You are describing this involvement with feeding as if it is exclusively a female function.

Stop pretending that men have ever breastfed babies because that is nonsense, or that breastfeeding isn't an 'exclusively female function', because we all know damn well it is. Men who have a medical condition or take drugs that cause lactation are not producing the equivalent of breast milk that the female body produces.

Babies should not be being used to facilitate male fantasies.

If we are discussing the article in which a TW describes the first time she fed her daughter, she admits she got sexual satisfaction, after the chemical cascade that went through her body. That's surely a TW fantasy. Cascade of chemicals, indeed!
What I recall of breastfeeding is the sensation in the womb, the tugging as it clamped and unclamped as it shrank back to size. TWs don't have wombs. So what is this milk system connected to? Or do TWs prefer a chemical cascade?

Female breasts - in all mammals - have evolved to feed our young.

The end.

Really don't want to discuss it with you any more @PenelopePipPip. It's making me feel a bit nauseous

I did think of lesbian mothers as I wrote it but this really is a moot point as has nothing to do with this specific topic.

And yes we can conclude that adult feelings are prioritised in the specific case of males trying to appropriate women.

As per here childrenoftransitioners.org/

Try queering motherhood thread is worth a look too. But please be forewarned.

The theory is that Female breasts evolved specifically from the immune system (as evidenced by milk antibodies) and as such are linked in with the way the pregnant female immune system develops in perfect harmony with the infant they're carrying.

The placenta also has immune links to protect the foetus from the mothers' immune system.

Women's immune systems are different to mens due to all this, as has been seen in sex linked differences between male and female reactions to covid and also higher rates of autoimmune disease in women.

Or alternatively "The concentrations of lactose, proteins, and electrolytes in the breast secretion of this man are within the range of colostrum and milk obtained from normal lactating women."

"Stop pretending that men have ever breastfed babies because that is nonsense, or that breastfeeding isn't an 'exclusively female function', because we all know damn well it is."

It isn't an exclusively female function. Men's breasts have always secreted milk in small quantities. They can't typically nourish children exclusively. But then less than 2% of women nourish their children exclusively with breastmilk until weaning them on to solids in this country.

Itsreally dangerous for women to argue things are biologically inevitable because natural. On that basis it has been argued women cannot attend university - it has never been done and when they do get advanced education the stress it places on their reproductive organs renders them infertile. They are clearly not as intelligent as men thus educating them beyond the age of 11 is futile.

I am NOT arguing there are no biological distinctions between the sexes or that TWAW. I just reject simplistic arguments based on what is allegedly natural that some practices should or should not be allowed. You need to work harder than that to justify the persistence of sex-based rights.