A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Imagine being so fucking selfish and self centred that you would force your newborn baby to consume your drug filled, non nutritious nipple discharge just so you could fulfill a fantasy and get your validation and euphoria.

The only one that matters is the baby. Anyone playing along with this is an utter disgrace.

Can you imagine any other situation where it would be acceptable to force a newborn baby to suck an adult male's nipples?

Now adult males with special lady feelings are exempt from any and all child safeguarding yet we are the bad ones for pointing out the fucking obvious?

Experimenting on children is fine.

Give them man milk.
Give them naked man pantomime.
Give them drugs to stop puberty.
Give them drugs to start puberty.
Give them surgery.

Let the children have what these men with no agenda at all want them to have.

Another case study.

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I am not saying it is healthy for anyone. I was just responding to the comment that it wasn't possible.

I worked as a nurse in Canada and we gave domperidone to mothers who weren't producing enough milk. It was an available treatment for them as well.

Respondents reported two specific protocols, however there is no data to demonstrate efficacy or safety of either protocol.

Why isn't this the first thing to study? Surely efficacy and safety are the main points.

Wow. Enlightening. I had no idea a trans could breastfeed. I'm not keen on the idea. I like to think of it as a woman only thing post giving birth.

Oh for gods sake you’ve clearly got some issue with the fact you used meds while breastfeeding @PenelopePipPip

I clearly don’t mean women who are on carefully managed meds.

A TW is on a cocktail of cross sex hormones which would almost certainly pass into the “milk.” And apparently they only produce about a teaspoon of secretion which certainly isn’t enough to nourish a baby. They’re doing it for entirely their own benefit and not that of the child

@Isaidnoalready I was given domperidone as my disability affects my milk supply. So it is an option but I had to research and ask myself.

@LilacPoppy I doubt you were on a cocktail of cross sex hormones as well?

Imagine being so fucking selfish and self centred that you would force your newborn baby to consume your drug filled, non nutritious nipple discharge just so you could fulfill a fantasy and get your validation and euphoria.

Exactly, and that is the difference between these TW and women. Most women put their babies first.

Can you imagine any other situation where it would be acceptable to force a newborn baby to suck an adult male's nipples?

Yeah I mean this is going down a bloody dangerous path.

100% agree

@HermioneKipper no of course not, I was replying to a female poster who wouldn’t need anything other than domperidone.

Article by medical doctor about this. lascapigliata.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/

Various issues with this, off the top of my head:

1. Where's the equivalent support for new mothers who want to breastfeed and have problems?
2. Ethically, how are the HCPs assisting with this induced lactation squaring what they're doing with their duty of care to the baby, given the lack of research in this area?
3. Why aren't the baby's needs first in all of this, for all concerned?
4. Who's checking that the baby's mother is happy with her male partner taking over this female function? Has she willingly agreed, was she fully informed how it might affect her own efforts to establish breastfeeding (badly, I'd have thought), in cases where she said 'I don't want to try to feed the baby, I'm fine with you doing it' was she saying that to make her partner feel good or because she genuinely didn't want to?
5. How many cases have there actually been? The picture doing the rounds on Twitter at the moment - is that new, or is it from a few years back from the case written up in the so called scholarly journal (a very low impact one, I believe)? Is it a different case from the one in this blog post? www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

It hasnt happened because men cannot breast feed.

Whats happened is a man has been pumped full of hormones, chemicals, steroids and goodness knows what other unnatural crap to the point that they begin to secrete an artificial liquid which bears no resemblance to breast milk. Which they then proceed to force upon a newborn baby.
It's beyond vile. That poor child.

@HermioneKipper not at all. I am just struggling to see the distinction between my case and the case reports cited here, whcih are the ones which are reported. Presumably there is a larger population of TW either seeking medical advice but the outcome not getting reported, or not seeking medical advice and following a protocol anyway. So its premature to conclude that TW can only produce a teaspoon of milk and that this is non-nutritive.

Evem if it is non-nutritive it may have positive benefits for the baby's immune system when given in conjunction with supplementary formula.

Either way breast-feeding promotes bonding between parent and child and improves parental MH both of which are good outcomes for women and TW.

The argument that it must be dangerous because there are chemicals in it and this makes it different to born-women's breastmilk makes little sense if born-women are encouraged to feed breastmilk full of chemicals (I was).

The argument that born-women are taking 'carefully managed meds' whilst TW are taking 'a cocktail of cross sex hormones' makes little sense if in both cases the drugs are prescribed and overseen by a specialist. As someone who has now been seen by a range of NHS specialisms I can assure you specialists may manage the meds they prescribe but no one ever 'carefully manages' the whole cocktail or clusterfuck of pills they are on apart from the patient.

If you object to people feeding chemical laced breast-secretions to babies with some but limited medical guidance that's your call. I don't feel offended but I am definitely one of those people and definitely a woman.

I would be most concerned for the health of any baby being subjected to this

Anyone who condones this experimentation on babies and children should start thinking up their excuses for why now.

Its sick and does nothing but feed into some weird validation for TW.

I‘ m frankly horrified any woman, particularly one who’s breastfed their baby, could support this

I can't believe anybody would attempt to defend even considering testing something so potentially dangerous.
On babies.
It's lunacy.

This. The point of breastfeeding is the nutrition and feeding of the child.

Take away the reality of a fantastic biological interaction between mother and child for the protection of them both post pregnancy as well as providing the child with the best nutrition, and it becomes just using a child and a lot of medication for an adult to have their desired emotional experience. Ethical issues. Not least: is the adult involved really prioritising the child's best interests over their own.

This is a man pumping unnecessary drugs into his child. I don't know why you'd risk it, considering that induced lactation in women generally needs supplementation with formula so there's no way a man is feeding a baby entirely that way. It's an incredibly worrying concept.

I hope this picture is purely propaganda. They certainly haven't been taught to hold a baby correctly to breastfeed.

If breast feeding is so important for emotional bonding, why are the many many millions of women who struggle with breast feeding not better supported or medicated to do this as opposed to being told to switch to bottles and crack on? Why are women who bottle feed not encouraged to still get their baby to latch on and have a non nutritional suck for the emotional benefits? It's almost as if bottle feeding offers the same benefit (if less sensation to the adult.)

That dog don't hunt, as they say.

@HermioneKipper but that isn't an argument. Its just a statement about how you feel.

I feel differently. I valued breastfeeding and can understand why it might be important for adoptive parents, both parents in lesbian relationship and TW to breastfeed too. I hope their babies will also benefit from the experience of closeness and bonding and hopefully additional benefits too.

We can feel differently, but it clearly won't persuade either of us to change our views. That is why I was asking what in particular about this situation upset you that distinguished it from a born-woman breastfeeding? You haven't said, you have just said I should start thinking up excuses.

Why? What am I going to need an excuse for?

I think we need to be very careful about the talk around hormones.
yes transwomen are taking hormones but then women are also ‘full of hormones’ when they are breastfeeding. Actually all women need to right levels of hormones to be able to breastfeed.
Women who use a surrogate have even known to trigger lactation (by using a breast pump a long time before the birth if i remember well) so they can breastfeed too. So manual stimulation can indeed encourage the body to produce milk.
And men have been known to produce milk when taking steroids/testosterone. (It’s down to the fact that testosterone then converts into oestrogen - in men too!!)

The issue I have is that the hormones women produce are NOT the same as the ones found in HRT etc… (see progesterone vs progestin etc…). It’s the same issue than with the oral contraceptive pill and HRT in women.

So my question is much more about the safety of those non natural hormones on the baby. I’m also querying the level of hormones (are they the same, higher, lower??) in transwomen as well the levels of testosterone.
I think those are the two t things that could be an issue.
The other question of course is whether the breast milk produced by transwomen thanks to the hormones they produce is the ‘same’ as women’s. Women’s breastmilk composition varies to adjust to the need of the baby. Is the same thing happening with transwomen??

Anyone defending men pumped full of hormones indulging their breast feeding fantasy as part of their ongoing mission to force the rest of us to deny the reality of biological sex needs a serious head wobble

If you object to people feeding chemical laced breast-secretions to babies with some but limited medical guidance that's your call. I don't feel offended but I am definitely one of those people and definitely a woman

You are a woman who gave birth to and nursed your children. It was your choice that, even with medication you felt the benefits outweighed the risks. Many women do and that's fine.

But we are talking about men. Men whose bodies are not meant to gestate or breastfeed. It doesn't matter that they have breast tissue or can produce a liquid from their nipples.
Men who are doing it to get their validation and euphoria, not because they want to feed their babies because they can't do that.

I don't know any man who has needed their newborn to suck their nipples to create a bond, or any women who choose not to or couldn't breastfeed for that matter, so that's a bullshit excuse for allowing this to happen.