A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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*MayorDusty

I'm not up to date with bfeeding. What would be the benefit of this?*

So the trans woman can be a pretend proper woman of course. Oh you meant benefit to the baby? Hmmm.......

Yep, this has everything to do with an adult wanting to validate their identity and absolutely nothing to do with what is best for the child. Someone that selfish doesn't deserve to be a parent.

This is otherwise known as hitting the nail on the head!

Good, so you get it.

And of course it's not all trans people. That would be odd.

But no-where near as odd as actually seeking out the opportunity to breastfeed a baby in order to find it exciting. Then having the supreme confidence in what you've just done to archly ask people not to judge you.

Believe me, the only transwomen I will ever judge in the context of this issue are those who want to breastfeed a child for the unhealthy validation of their identity.

Not sure if this has been posted.

www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed/amp

I think it has. But good to do it again.

At least one of these males brought about some kind of lactation (not verified at all!) just for the ‘experience’. One wanted to ‘mature their breast tissue’.

I believe this is a transitioned male who is writing this article too. So, I will be written from that perspective entirely.

@NecessaryScene · Today 06:36
”I would have been so grateful to see a sensible comment although I wouldn't have liked it for fear of being called out IRL and online.”

This is the fundamental reason reason Twitter, and apparently FB, has broken people's brains.

It has public ballots.

The first time I saw this sort of thing - when people started wittering about "Web 2.0" (in the early 2000s?) - I guess what we'd now call "social media" - this sort of over-sharing of information seemed to be the key distinguishing feature from traditional forums.

We have private ballots for a reason - to find out what people really think. So they can say it without coercion. In fact, to totally enforce that, it's actually illegal to even voluntarily reveal your election votes, to make it harder for people to be coerced to do so.

The public showing of "likes" in something like Twitter is totally 100% opposed to well-established democratic process, and has - totally unsurprisingly - led to totalitarianism and massive preference falsification.

So, Elon Musk, if you're reading this, make Twitter likes private. If people want to support something publicly, they can retweet or whatever, but correct the situation so you can see what people really think via likes.

You are absolutely right but I’d never properly thought of this even though it is so obvious.

Good lord.

Yes. Rather.

I don’t get the feeling that Brettany, 56, Texas did this to feed any infant… but will donate some time when they relactate. So that will certainly not involve feeding their own child.

Dr L Arrowsmith, 68, Tulsa did it just because!

I am really not sure whether posters can really continue to deny that this happens. It most definitely is not ‘All’ but I suspect it is ‘more’ than they would like to admit doing this for other purposes.

The baby will probably end up with pituitary gland cancer when older. Their tiny little developing body is going to be so confused. Makes me sick.

What is interesting is that as I expected, just about every single one of those posts deleted was using the word men / man.

It's all about political correctness these days though innit! If you don't comply, you're an outcast and are silenced.

It's easier all round to use the word 'person' when referring to things like this. It's not ambiguous nor 'disrespectful' but the PC brigade also have nowhere to go with it.

I am just wondering when the next round of accusations about how transphobic posters are will be. It is remarkable how often posters have entered this thread to say how transphobic the discussion is, while then expecting people will engage positively with them.

All the while contributing nothing else, even posing some of the discussion points already discussed, like they have not been discussed already. It’s a clear sign they have not read the substance of the thread, have not read the links, and just wanted to admonish those discussing it.

Maybe we should lay bets. It seems to be following a bit of a pattern.

Thank you @Helleofabore for answering each of the discussion points raised by the recent influx of posters on this thread, all of which as you point out had previously been raised and answered on this very thread.

I am still waiting for anyone to produce evidence (i.e. scientific, peer-reviewed and published evidence) of what the nutritional value (i.e. calories, vitamins, minerals, antibodies and hormones) are in artificially-induced secretions from male breast-tissue. Added bonus if it could be compared to breast milk or formula. The information is unavailable because it has not been published and it does not exist. A case report or a hundred case reports about artificially induced male breast secretions still fails to answer that. Those reports are all about the male and do not centre the baby or the woman who has just given birth. And of course, those very same posters dodge this question (or bizarrely ask it back to us as if it hasn’t been brought up before).

Still no one on this entire thread has answered why, when a newborn needs every calorie, mineral and vitamin available in breastmilk or formula for their vital and earliest development, a newborn infant’s rooting reflex and any bit of their extremely limited energy should be used to suck on a male nipple to ingest artificially induced male breast secretions, the contents of which we in the medical, scientific and maternity community know nothing about. Why? Is it for the benefit of the infant?

Not a single poster has explained why this could possibly be for the benefit of the infant or of the mother who has just given birth to them. That is because all of the evidence (and the areas of glaring omissions of scientific evidence) demonstrate that a male breastfeeding is about the needs of the male, not the baby.

This is not transphobic. The same applies to any male, whether transidentified or not.

Well said, Ovaries and Helleobafore.

Here is a note to posters who are new to the thread:

If you are start with an initial post accusing posters of transphobia and being supposedly uninformed enough to have in depth discussion on this thread, please expect some posters to push back on your accusations.

And read the fucking thread, Including the links, before declaring that posters have not addressed issues.

Really, accusing a group of posters of transphobia is rarely appreciated anywhere in life. Especially when we see those accusations numerous times on MN every single day.

Right a new day.

Will we get anyone answering the only question that is really relevant here:

What exactly is the benefit of this to the child?

Anyone?

What exactly is the benefit of this to the child?

Maybe...happy "mum", happy baby?

I would laugh ThomasPenman but I expect that many people believe just that.

Posters on this thread may find this article of interest.

www.mothersformother.com/post/the-great-pretenders

@DaisiesandButtercups · Today 09:40
Posters on this thread may find this article of interest.

www.mothersformother.com/post/the-great-pretenders

Thank you. That is a very good article. It was very amusing to say that male fruit bats lactating (a small amount and never feeding babies) being used as proof that men should lactate and feed babies, made as much sense as saying that men should also be able to fly and navigate darkness with sonar.

I wondered how long it would take for the the bat thing to pop up.

It's bat shit bonkers.

See also clown fish.

Excellent article!

Only thing I'd add is the Lll group and leaders I know would totally agree with the article!

LLL did WHAAATTTT??!!!! 🤬🤬🤬

Oh yes grey

This topic has been widely discussed before on MN for just that reason. LLL’s stance.

More here

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4361694-Gender-Ideology-non-debate-within-La-Leche-League-International