Queering of Motherhood. <warning>

[WarriorN]

Disturbing content.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-queering-of-motherhood?r=nbcqt&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=email&utmsource=

More than disturbing. Seriously.

Extremely, I'd put in the title but it's not come through.

This is sick stuff.

I really wish I hadn't read that in z Saturday morning 🤢

Eurgh. That's disturbing.

Are there any stats on how many Transwomen are autogynephilia?

It's just so disturbing

Do we even have stats on how many transwomen there are? As they can self id?

That word isn't accepted as a true thing, despite being the original diagnosis Blanchard et al worked with, so no.

This will not be news to transwidows.

Some of it was news to me.

Hats off to Genevieve and Tish. Thank you for stomaching this stuff.

Zoe is absolutely clueless.

Are there any stats on how many Transwomen are autogynephilia?

There are stats on sexuality at least. The majority are heterosexual, which would largely imply autogynephilic, if we accept that most fit Blanchard's AGP and HSTS categories. (And I do).

I can hear gender ideology myth number nine calling....

"Any mention of autogynephilia means you are calling ALL transwomen fetishists/perverts/rapists (delete as appropriate), you must immediately stfu".

This is horrific. The baby birthing experience at the end is just unbelievable. I can’t imagine how you could justify it.

I’d read the article on the feeding of the newborn a while back and it still haunts me. Disgusting human being. Just really really gross.

@goingslowfornow

Are there any stats on how many Transwomen are autogynephilia?

It's just so disturbing

As Necessary Scene said the majority are het, I read about about 6O% of TW sexually desire women, so there's a very strong chance the majority of that 60% are AGP going by Blanchard's studies.

Another interesting stat on paraphilias is that about 5% (some studies even show as high as 15%) of men have at least one type of paraphilia.

Ranking by prevalence, voyeurism is top, followed by in order fetishism, exhibitionism, masochism, sadism, transvestism, then others (thankfully paedophilia ranks v low).

With transvestism (AGP) ranking in the top five paraphilias, coupled with 1 in 20 men having at least one paraphilia, statistically it's likely AGP could be found in (I'm not a statistician!) around 1 in every 100 man?? Someone else could probably work that out better than me.

The reason why it's significant that most or many men who have a paraphilia have more than one, is because if a man has AGP it's statistically likely he also gets off on exhibitionism and voyeurism (also in the top five).
It's basically a cocktail of desire to gain access to women's spaces.

@Scraggythang

I’d read the article on the feeding of the newborn a while back and it still haunts me. Disgusting human being. Just really really gross.

From one of the comments under the article:

seeing these disgusting creeps using hormones to force lactation to wank off is truly the most vomit inducing fetish I’ve seen. I recall seeing an article or a Twitter piece about a [biologically male person] who used hormones to actually breast feed a baby. I was disturbed by the fetish and furious at any medical professionals encouraging or condoning this practice. Pity that poor sweet baby, being fed a diet of synthetic hormones so a man can get some sick orgasmic thrill out of pretending to be a woman. That anyone could view that as anything other than gross child abuse and pedophilia is beyond me

Thanks for the correction Nec. Good point.

Sorry phone died and didn't see your excellent analysis anon, thank you

Wow thus is another level. When will people realise that no amount of hormones or surgery allows you to change sex.
Sex is defined at birth by our chromosomes. After birth a male will never grow a cervix, uterus and ovaries and a woman will never grow testes so they will never fully achieve changing sex except by external appearance and in some function by hormone treatment.
Sure you can dress and change you external appearance to be simulate a different gender but deep inside you're just as you were born.
That's not to say we shouldn't be accepting and respectful of others gender decisions but it should not encroach on the naturally defined differences that society allows in some areas of life were segregation along sex lines allows us to feel comfortable to go to the bathroom, change, etc within the comfort of the same sex.

That was a really well-articulated piece. This passage particularly stood out to me.

"The fracturing of women’s selfhood from their sexed bodies that is at the root of gender identity ideology mirrors the splitting of women into objectified, consumable parts depicted in pornography. When women are not defined as adult human females, they are instead relegated to splintered parts that are made available for possession: a lactating person, a pregnant person, a cervix-haver, a menstruator.

All of these terms allow men to not only stake their claim to the female sex but to simultaneously claim that their particular fetish is what truly constitutes womanhood. This dehumanizing language props up a myriad of industries that exist to extract resources from female flesh: the sex industry, the pornography industry, and the burgeoning surrogacy industry. Gender ideology reduces women to parts and functions and in doing so, erases our humanity."

Yikes!

Reading this has made me think of an angle I hadn't thought of before. The WHO recommends that babies/toddlers are breastfed to 2 and beyond. But even people who are very, very pro breastfeeding can be extremely squeamish about breastfeeding a child past 6-12 months. And once you do get into the realm of a toddler who is running about and speaking, it's totally taboo. We hear, 'if they can ask for it, they are too old,' or, really, really disturbingly, 'at that point the mother is just doing it for herself.'

There is actually a real and genuine idea in our culture that a mother breastfeeding her child, past the first few months, is getting some sort of elicit thrill out of it. So to have at this point where more western women are breastfeeding for longer than they have in generations. And trying to normalise that in the face of accusations that they are somehow abusing their child. To have these men actually get a sexual thrill from it and be lauded for it is a massive fucking slap in the face.

And unfortunately, some of the women I met in breastfeeding groups, who helped to normalise breastfeeding for longer to me. Are front and centre of championing these weirdos and the removal of feminine language from the whole maternity process. They really don't see how they are undermining their own efforts.

Absolutely spot on post trance. My experience exactly too.

I'm feeding my 3 yr old at the mo.

All spot on posts.

I can't tell you how angry it makes me, especially when I've been told off for questioning the erosion of language within a private bf supporters group.

Hasten to add the admin are GC and closed the discussion when the pro trans posters (actually more were non binary) became verbally aggressive.

I agree it's pretty horrific when you understand what the motivation is behind much of this. Unfortunately, even MN don't like us talking about AGP so this thread might get wiped.

It is the TRAs dirty little secret, they don't want the wider public to know about this, because they well know most people would be pretty horrified. Many women are being used as unsuspecting props in men's sexual fantasies. And if we complain, we are the hateful, bigoted ones .

There was also the case of the online support group for women who had suffered miscarriage and stillbirth, where a TW joined and wanted to 'act out' a miscarriage or something. When some women complained that it was offensive, they were kicked out of the group! Who are the women going along with this, thinking this is ok?!

Bloody hell
As a mum and a midwife I can't really find suitable words to express the overwhelming disgust ...

It's very silly to assume all trans men are autogynephiles. If women could support each other better instead of tearing each other down we'd all be much more secure in our own identity and the transphobes would stop pretending trans people are mentally unwell or pose a threat to them.

Language used about women including trans women is still evolving and although articles like this highlight why cis women are left out or not specified when talking about women, they're doing more harm than good and aren't actually tackling the problem.

@HowardNoir I’ve read your post several times and have no idea what you are trying to say. For a start you’d need to clarify “trans men” (do you mean biological males who identify as women, or the “correct” usage of biological females who identify as men)?