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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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Soubriquet · 21/05/2022 14:43

A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Elsiebear90 · 23/05/2022 14:21

I’m sure I read into this a while ago and found that any “milk” that is produced is in such small quantities that it can’t support a baby, I think there was a case in 2018 where a trans woman took a cocktail of hormones and could only produce half the minimum amount of milk needed to support the baby. So this really all is for the trans woman’s benefit I would imagine.

RealityCheck7 · 23/05/2022 14:26

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Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 14:26

Yes Elsiebear.

After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed? This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!

And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.

www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

Fimofriend · 23/05/2022 14:49

That baby is going to develop breasts as a toddler. That is not ok.

WarriorN · 23/05/2022 14:49

So this really all is for the trans woman’s benefit I would imagine.

Yes.

Vanity exercise.

WarriorN · 23/05/2022 14:51

Or worse, but, ya'know, I'll be deleted Hmm

Clymene · 23/05/2022 15:18

The research tells us that exclusively breastfed babies take in an average of 25 oz (750 mL) per day between the ages of 1 month and 6 months. Different babies take in different amounts of milk; a typical range of milk intakes is 19-30 oz per day (570-900 mL per day).

That poor baby

Squiff70 · 23/05/2022 15:22

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You just summarised what I, and no doubt most other women on MN who've read and/or contributed to this thread are thinking.

I could add to it, but I'd be banned undoubtedly.

RinklyRomaine · 23/05/2022 15:26

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THIS!!!

MayorDusty · 23/05/2022 15:26

What would happen to a woman who knowingly and deliberately underfed a newborn baby?

Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 15:41

I suspect we will be given NO answers to what are the benefits to the child.

Nothing has been proposed as yet. Not one of these supportive posters addressed it at all.

I would like to think they are now considering it from a child centred point of view, BUT I doubt it.

The poster, Helen8220, actually went on to say the following.

-the arguments based on the idea that the child’s well-being, and the avoidance of any possible risk, however small, should effectively override all other considerations, remind me of the moral pressure that often seems to be put on women to breastfeed - that the benefits to the baby have been scientifically proven and therefore must outweigh almost all reasons the mother might have for not wanting to (eg related to the interference with their independence or ability to work, or the sharing of care);

So, we are faking concern to children's well-being and it is just like the pressure to breastfeed over formula.

-it also reminds me very strongly of the many arguments that have been made against gay people or same sex couple raising children - it’s a social experiment, it’s unnatural, the impact on the child can’t be known, it’s based on (at best) the gay person’s narcissistic desire for validation, or (at worst) some deviant sexual interest in children;

So, anyone expressing concern, pointing out the obvious lack of any evidence to support males breastfeeding their secretions to infants are doing it from hate, from phobia and this poster neglects to acknowledge that these are MALES who are seeking to do this. MALES who don't have the necessary systems to support adequate milk (if it is ever found to be able to be called milk) production so it is not going to be in the child's interest to be breastfed this way.

But, people raising the issues around this are just doing it because these are transitioned males.

-if the child is being bf by the other parent as well (which is the impression I got from the screenshot on Twitter) I’m not sure how relevant the arguments about nutrition are;

And this one was a great one. It doesn't matter because parents may co-breast feed the infant and nutrition doesn't matter.

Missing the point that always breastfeeding an infant needs more breastmilk as breastmilk is quite different to formula feeding.

Missing the point that even substituting one feed a day with a less nutritious feed than from either the carefully mother-child constituted breastmilk or formula will result in an infant NOT GETTING full nutrition.

Missing the point that if the mother's milk has come in, that mother needs to feed regularly to both sustain the flow of the milk AND to cope with engorgement.

So.... that is all ok baby and mum. Baby, you can still cope with lower nutrition because the other parent is happy now. And mum, you just suck up the fact that this may interrupt your milk supply, your comfort, your ability to sleep without discomfort just so your partner can have 'an experience' that doesn't benefit you or the child.

But we are the ones who are ill-informed apparently.

Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 16:06

Missing the point that always breastfeeding an infant needs more breastmilk as breastmilk is quite different to formula feeding.

To clarify, an exclusively breastfed infant requires every single drop of milk they intake to be the correct nutritional level due to the different consistency and nutritional richness per ml.

Franca123 · 23/05/2022 16:08

Are we allowed to say this is gross?

RealityCheck7 · 23/05/2022 16:16

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Fimofriend · 23/05/2022 14:49

That baby is going to develop breasts as a toddler. That is not ok.

Oh FGS. I didn't think about that. That is abuse.

Franca123 · 23/05/2022 16:22

I also assume we must not use the f word. I don't mean fuck.

RealityCheck7 · 23/05/2022 16:59

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Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 17:18

This is a "mother" feeding her child, a "woman" enjoying the special moment of breastfeeding, a "woman" producing "milk" etc.

It has been quite clear hasn't it that this is the way we are expected to think and to talk.

I wonder, really, if those posters seeing this statement feel any discomfort in what they are supporting.

Squiff70 · 23/05/2022 17:37

I'd be interested to know whether the people who support this would hand over their own biological newborn baby to a TW in order for them to 'feed' the child.

If so, on what grounds? If not, why not?

Helleofabore · 23/05/2022 17:49

Squiff70 · 23/05/2022 17:37

I'd be interested to know whether the people who support this would hand over their own biological newborn baby to a TW in order for them to 'feed' the child.

If so, on what grounds? If not, why not?

Yes. And exclusively (no other source of nutrition) for six weeks, or even 12 weeks. Knowing what they know about 'supply'.

oakleaffy · 23/05/2022 18:59

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So that's why my comment was deleted.
I used a three letter acronym beginning with first letter of alphabet, , then the seventh, then the sixteenth., in response to the ''Feeding'' link that showed a ''Person'' sexually stimulating themselves holding their genitalia while attached to a breast pump.

That was grotesque and I wish I could erase that unpleasant image from my mind.

It's madness.
Why are ''They'' so afraid of it being called out for what it is? A three letter acronym and a F {not fuck}.

lovesT · 23/05/2022 19:00

I made the mistake of commenting on one of these posts about a transwoman breastfeeding on a "breastfeeding support group" I'm part of on Facebook. I regret it now, completely shot down by women supporting it other than a few likes on my comments but I'd imagine other women are too scared to comment. I'll probably be booted out of the group.

How do we deal with this? My comments weren't hateful, just pointing out certain things about preferring not to be referred to as a "chestfeeder" and how women who are naturally made to breastfeed (not talking about women who can't for whatever reason) aren't getting the support but now transwoman (men) are being enabled to do it. Completely shot down and made to feel like a horrible person. Won't do it again but I feel like we're not allowed to share our views anymore???

WarriorN · 23/05/2022 19:02

We need a code. My 9 yr old has one of those spinny things. Or there's the method where you have the first word for abcd etc and then just put the remaining alphabet letters in.

"Findus crispy pancakes" is allowed afaik.

WarriorN · 23/05/2022 19:03

Sorry loves. I know of a v good group where you'd be able to comment and be included.

lovesT · 23/05/2022 20:31

@WarriorN would be interested 😊 I've finally had some support on there but have been called transphobic a good 3 times now. Apparently I'm not a very nice person!

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