A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Please do tell. I'm 6 months pregnant and hoping to be able to breastfeed (I was born female and very much still am BTW!). I'd love to join a FB breastfeeding group which neither supports this utter madness nor insists its members refer to the act of feeding a baby 'chestfeeding' because I absolutely do not trust myself to completely lose my shit if that were the case!

Or rather.... NOT to lose my shit!

I'll pm tomorrow - only issue is that it's regional. They may know a good local group though.

Sane lactational consultants do exist ;)

@WarriorN thanks 😊 I'm actually fine for now, have been breastfeeding for 2y3m but am pregnant with our second and aside from these posts and the odd comments here and there I've found the groups really helpful. Sadly these posts are becoming much too frequent! All breastfeeding journeys are different so I hope to still have support with the next one!

I've actually had a couple of private messages since my comments saying they are grateful that I posted so that's nice ❤️

This is perfect. I've mentioned above but I'm on multiple Facebook groups for breastfeeding and the smallest comment and you're muted/ deleted/ booted out of the group. There is no where to share what you think without being completely silenced. I'm not even talking mean comments, just anything that questions anything to do with trans etc it's actually really scary, the voices are there but they're being turned off in favour of biological men. Whoops I'm not allowed to say that 🫢🫢

Whoops was supposed to quote @Realitycheck7

What about Colostrum?

Absolutely right.
What about colostrum!

The most valuable substance for newborns surely is formed by the female body being pregnant, as it lasts for such a short time.
Colostrum replacers are used for orphaned lambs, so a baby ''fed'' by a non pregnant person would need a human colostrum replacer, surely?

If I'd seen your post in this group (and it's possible as I'm in lots of bf groups) I would have been so grateful to see a sensible comment although I wouldn't have liked it for fear of being called out IRL and online. I can guarantee that there would have been loads of women in the same position. I honestly don't think most women think this is ok, even if they're not au fait with the whole trans issue, they just won't commit it text online for fear of backlash.

@WarriorN I'm going to send you an inbox for the name of the breastfeeding group if that's ok.

I would have been so grateful to see a sensible comment although I wouldn't have liked it for fear of being called out IRL and online.

This is the fundamental reason reason Twitter, and apparently FB, has broken people's brains.

It has public ballots.

The first time I saw this sort of thing - when people started wittering about "Web 2.0" (in the early 2000s?) - I guess what we'd now call "social media" - this sort of over-sharing of information seemed to be the key distinguishing feature from traditional forums.

We have private ballots for a reason - to find out what people really think. So they can say it without coercion. In fact, to totally enforce that, it's actually illegal to even* *voluntarily reveal your election votes, to make it harder for people to be coerced to do so.

The public showing of "likes" in something like Twitter is totally 100% opposed to well-established democratic process, and has - totally unsurprisingly - led to totalitarianism and massive preference falsification.

So, Elon Musk, if you're reading this, make Twitter likes private. If people want to support something publicly, they can retweet or whatever, but correct the situation so you can see what people really think via likes.

That's the intention. We are silenced so men can sexually abuse children. Other women enforce the silencing.

People are being bullied online - and in real life- if they say how uncomfortable this invasion of women’s spaces is to them by “ People who weren’t born female but say they are”.
Women having sport invaded, and now, babies being used like this does not sit well with many people.
A baby can’t say no.

Hopefully there are sensible, sane breastfeeding groups out there where women can feel safe.

Probably the child would be considered at real risk of harm.
But used as a prop in a vanity exercise it likely would be allowed in case it hurt the adult’s feelings.
The needs of the adult would likely override that of a powerless child.

The needs of the adult would likely override that of a powerless child.

If male.

It seems there may be a rights/needs ranking of man > child > woman.

I think you can apply that most of the time and it works.

I think that there are many people who put aside their ability to think critically about this because of the pressure to ‘be kind’ and they will do it because ‘it is not their child’.

When you have people who know little about how breastfeeding actually works telling posters that ‘co-breastfeeding’ should be totally acceptable, it blows my mind. When my milk came in, missing a feed meant I had to pump or it effected my supply after the painful breasts were finally emptied. It was hard enough to get breastfeeding right without that happening.

So what benefit is co-breastfeeding with anyone unless you want to build up a store of milk or continue for long term. (Ie two women sharing equally from the start and continuing as long as possible)

Mothers with low supply would supplement with a formula feed, I would expect as a ‘top up’ after. Formula is an known quality. They would not supplement with a substance of unknown quality.

Who on earth would think that is acceptable?

But there we have it. People emboldened by ‘being kind’ and their own prejudices that posters on this board must be wrong, ill informed and hateful, saying it is fine for both baby and mother to have one or two less nutritious feeds a day.

To accommodate a male need.

And those supporting this feel righteous enough to seek to shame people rejecting this? That they are on the right side of history?

yeah…. No thank you.

Plenty of people supplement with donated breast milk. There's breast milk banks, milk sharing websites, direct donation. I fed my own baby and donated to the milk bank with DC1 and with DC2 I fed her exclusively and did a direct donation to a woman unable to feed.

Yes. I understand a bit about donated breast milk. But that is from a female donor. And the base nutritional value would be able to be anticipated and no doubt a declaration for any drugs would be taken at the least.

Please correct me if I am wrong as I have not used one.

So, you are right. The mother could donate her milk for that feed to another infant while the male does the other feed with the unknown nutritional value for their own child.

beast would you feed your child male donated breastmilk?

To be clear, I think breastmilk donations are a valuable service as there are many babies who have specific need for breastmilk.

Donor breast milk from a proper donor bank is also screened heavily.

If there was something in there, even a trace that they didn’t like, your milk would be dumped. Even if it’s the same milk you are feeding your own baby

Actually after HRT and estrogen, like when born female people go through puberty, you get breasts it’s the same thing basically just later in life and via a tablet, cream or injection. Men can breastfeed anyways in extreme famine or with certain medications, there even was a case of male German soldiers growing breasts for slapping their guns against their chests, lots of people are also mentioning that it’s unfair for the child to be tested on, im 99% sure the milk fat protein etc. content wouldve been tested and as long as the child is being fed I don’t think it cares. hope this helps!

My daughter was born at 22 weeks. She survived and is now two, but she was very very ill as a newborn and suffered a condition called perforated necrotising enterocolitis, which is diseased and perforated bowel. She needed emergency surgery at 4 weeks old to remove 20% of her bowel.

She was in NICU for 5 months, and originally was only fed by TPN (a nutritional supplement fed through the veins rather than a milk or milk like substitute). Eventually, when she was able to have milk, I signed a consent form for her to have donor breast milk. Because my daughter (and her twin brother who sadly passed away after four days) were so early, and other factors such as me having sepsis, I never produced any milk despite trying everything for several weeks. I was and still am devastated but because she was so premature, I didn't want her to have formula especially after bowel surgery when her digestive system was extremely delicate.

There's nothing wrong with formula feeding- it was just the set of circumstances which made me decide I didn't want her to have it as such a young and still premature age when donor milk was available to her.

She had the donor milk for about three months and I will always be grateful to the mums who chose to donate such a precious gift.

It is needed, badly, especially for premature and sick babies, however if I'd been told that some of the milk was from a male or TW body there's no way I would have consented.

And yes, donor breast milk is very heavily screened for illnesses, infections, viruses and drugs/medication!

The comments on the original link are interesting.

"it's a woman's body"

Ok then.

How beautiful 😳

Should this be practised without further investigation? Nope

Is this thread able to discuss the issue in a critical and unbiased manner? Absolutely not.

The two main arguments here

• Claiming all transwoman are doing this as part of some kind of perverted act rather than because they want to breastfeed for the sake of breastfeeding.
• By doing this, all transwomen are starving their children.

The transwoman this thread is actually about has posted about breastfeeding her daughter. There's no inclicination, hint or suggestion or the first claim. Implying someone is abusive or a pedophile is pretty serious, and I wouldn't go throwing that about in the manner people in this thread do.

For the second claim. All moot. Where has anyone said she's attempting to exlusive feed her child in this way? In anyone bothered to read the primary source, you would see it is something she did before her wife's milk came in. Again, absolutely no suggestion

I am not for this based on the current evidence, but for actual rational reasons, rather than transphobia.

There also seems to be absolute crickets in anyone responsing to the obvious point that many woman take synthetic hormones whilst breastfeeding and what do we know about this in terms of safety? If this child is "going to have breasts as a toddler" (just one claim made by a PP), why is this not a concern for women too?

The two main arguments here
Claiming all transwoman are doing this as part of some kind of perverted act rather than because they want to breastfeed for the sake of breastfeeding.

Aren't these claims THEY have made?

By doing this, all transwomen are starving their children.

Don't the babies have to exert energy to feed and if this energy is wasted on non-nutritional milk, then in pure net energy costs it will cost them precious calories?

If it isn't about performance trans womanning; why haven't men been doing this all along?