A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Claiming all transwoman are doing this as part of some kind of perverted act rather than because they want to breastfeed for the sake of breastfeeding.

When a transwomen says please don't judge them for saying they get off on it, and it's more exciting than anything a partner has ever done to them, a sentiment that you can find in numerous places plastered across the Internet, it's unsurprising that people are doing in the way they're telling us to.

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There also seems to be absolute crickets in anyone responsing to the obvious point that many woman take synthetic hormones whilst breastfeeding and what do we know about this in terms of safety?

Crickets??? Why do we know about this in terms of safety?? Are you serious? You think that women breastfeeding and contraception and other artificial hormones has not been studied closely and reported on?

Have you breastfed? Because I remember getting a lot of information about just that over a decade ago.

The person who brought that up was told that many women take those hormones and there is medical advice about it. In fact, there are people on this very thread who have done just that. So hardly 'crickets', it was dealt with quickly in a fast moving thread and most posters moved on to things more worthy of discussion.

So... maybe you should actually read the thread a bit more closely.

Where has anyone said she's attempting to exlusive feed her child in this way? In anyone bothered to read the primary source, you would see it is something she did before her wife's milk came in. Again, absolutely no suggestion

Maybe you should actually read the thread and the articles discussed.

Discussions about the male feeding a newborn exclusively from their breast for six weeks has been reported for a study. And also what was reported was a transitioned male expert stating that they certainly did not choose to do this, even though they knew they could, because of the unknown composition of what was being fed to the child.

Not all transitioned males agree with this either. Was that expert transphobic? Coming at it from a position of hate?

I am not for this based on the current evidence, but for actual rational reasons, rather than transphobia

Please outline your evidence. Please post it here on this thread.

We love to read everything that is posted as that way we get as much informed perspective.

Growing breasts as a male is about growing 'male' breasts. They are well documented to lack some of the components that a female breast has. In particular there is no connection to the relevant systems that then control the composition of the breast milk in females. That modify and adjust the milk to suit that infant's specific age need, and even other conditions. This cannot be done with a male breast.

It was also highlighted above, that an expert reviewing the case where a male exclusively fed their infant for 6 weeks, stated that the composition of the milk produced in this way was NOT analysed in enough depth that they, a transitioned male themselves who was in a position to do this with their newborn, decided it was too risky for their own child. This was in 2018.

Hope this helps!

Do you Aqublu have any evidence that the composition, including a clear list of the medication that have cross into the milk and the effects of this medication on a newborn?

If you do, please post it.

You 99% being sure must be based on some evidence. What was it that convinced you? Please post the links.

I think Datun this comes under the:

'It doesn't happen.
If it did happened, it was only one time.
Oh... it happened twice, it was only two times.
More? I think that it is grossly offensive to keep discussing it.
You have evidence? And you have posted it? No, not enough to say that it happens, you are all haters!'

Yes I breastfed, but I hardly think if I hadn't been able to, or didn't/couldn't have children, it excludes me from the discussion

As other posters have pointed out, this is another non-reply. It makes no sense.

I asked - what do we know about safety of synthetic hormones during breastfeeding? Presumably if women commonly take these, there is safety data. How does this compare to the hormones taken by transwomen?

If synthetic doses of oestrogen and progesterone have been found safe to take by breastfeeding women (presumably this is the case given that these contraceptives are recommended), why is this evidence not applicable to the hormones taken by transwomen?

It is worth thinking about rather than just ignored.

You can find anyone posting a narrative that backs up your viewpoint on the internet.

I (regretably) followed one of the links which took me to a forum on these kinds of fantasies. It included straight (cis) women and men posting about it.

The view that all transpeople are like this is inherenetly transphobic.

@RealityCheck7

This is nonsensical.

If a woman (not sure why the mini biography was necessary) was inviting random neighbourhood children to suck on her nipples you can bet I would be immediately reporting her to the police.

This is nothing to with sex/gender/whatever, but because it is clearly abusive.

It isn't comparable to a parent and child dynamic.

Great, so you know that the interaction of contraceptive hormones and other hormones will have been discussed with you at some stage of your breastfeeding. And probably at pre-natal stage too. They ARE researched. In a FEMALE body.

If synthetic doses of oestrogen and progesterone have been found safe to take by breastfeeding women (presumably this is the case given that these contraceptives are recommended), why is this evidence not applicable to the hormones taken by transwomen?

And if you have read the thread, you will have been able to gather the information from the links posted.

You have wrongly framed this as being about the artificial hormones a male is receiving. Well, only partially wrongly. Because do you have the exact range of doses they receive compared to a recently delivered mother for comparison? I have been searching for that information myself. And what about how the male body processes them and what then comes through in the breast milk.

If you have been following any of the discussion about how females have been discriminated against in medicine, you might also be aware that female bodies and male bodies respond differently to medication.

So, has it been measured what quantities of these hormones are coming through the male's breast?

It is about the other drugs that they maybe, and are quite likely taking for their transition.

It is also for the nutritional composition being adjusted and modified by the mother's body for the specific needs of the infant. Again, if you have breastfed, you will be aware of this. How it changes and the direct interaction between mother and infant. Whether or not you believe in any direct interaction with a mammary gland receptor to change the composition due to illness or not, that is worth further research. However, the mother delivers the type of milk the infant needs at the right time of development.

If you have something other than a very old study on the composition of what is delivered from a male breast, please do post it.

In addition, it is also known that a male breast doesn't go through the 'maturing' process a female breast goes through during pregnancy. It is also discussed in this thread that you have decreed 'uninformed'.

A male breast does not produce as much milk as an infant needs from birth. Hence, the queries about allowing an experiment where a male exclusively breast fed a newborn for 6 weeks. It is known they produce much less than is needed.

At what point would a male exclusively breastfeeding a newborn be considered to cover the nutritional needs of that child?

So, in saying all of that.

Did you stop to answer the question that has been repeated over and over,

What is the exact benefit to the child here?

You seem unwilling to consider why a parent would want a breastfeed their child, if not for terrible nefarious reasons @RealityCheck7

As has been stated by many transwomen (who's accounts all seem to be ignored on this thread), they want to do it as it is a part of motherhood and a way to bond with your child, and to give them nutrition, antibodies etc.

Whether that is, or will ever be, a realistic possibility for transwomen I don't know.

As I've said before, I don't think this should be done based on what is currently (un)known, but I take real issue with the transphobia here.

The Children Act takes as its founding principle that every decision made should be in the best interests of the child. Its a good principle.
Using children for validation is a red flag.

As I've said before, I don't think this should be done based on what is currently (un)known, but I take real issue with the transphobia here.

Please just report the transphobia then. You seem to agree with much of what has been posted. Just report the transphobia and engage with the topic without the attempt at whatever else you are trying to do, according to YOUR definition of transphobia.

Report it. And if MNHQ doesn't delete the post, maybe it is not transphobic in anyone else's opinion, just yours.

I don't think this should be done based on what is currently (un)known

Great!! As I said before, please post any evidence links so we can all read it to. Let us have a discussion about the evidence. You never know, if you stop telling us all off, perhaps we will all find we have been reading the same sources.

to give them nutrition, antibodies

For instance. If you have a recent analysis of this including the chemical composition with particular drug treatments, please post.

Have you actually read the links that have been posted on this thread? Any of them?

I wouldn't accept any donated breast milk, from anyone.

But I don't know if the milk bank would refuse milk from a male breast. You do have to have a blood test for infectious disease and do a medical form re medication but I'm on several medications (including hormonal) and my milk was accepted so not sure what the cut offs are. This is milk given to premature infants as well.

More direct donation such as eats on feets do no checks, it's up to the recipient to do them, some people accept you at your word and the frozen milk is shipped. So anyone could donate and lie I guess.

Did you even read my reply @Helleofabore ?

This is a repeated trope on here - whenever anyone posts something not in complete alignment with the views held you make all sorts of assumptions and interpretions that aren't true .

Only women breastfeed. If you think men can breastfeed after taking drugs to induce lactation, its because you haven't understood breastfeeding.

Breastfeeding rooms are for women who are breastfeeding. No one else. Pregnancy, maternity and breastfeeding are sex based.

They are not mothers. Only women can be mothers. Babies shouldn't be used by transwomen who want to cosplay as mothers.

But services like eats on feet are definitely NOT screened, unless the recipient does so themselves and most don't.

Any woman who feeds her baby a liquid from an unknown source is putting that baby at serious risk of harm