Kellie Jay Keen and Tucker Carlson of Fox News

[concernedfriend500]

I used to admire Kellie Jay Keen for her staunch defence of women's rights and her refusal to bow down to the bullies. But I'm so over her now. Last night I watched one of her YouTube videos and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is. For those of you who don't know, Carlson is a right wing troll who has been accused of being a white supremacist. He presents an insanely popular talk show on US Fox News, on which KJL has appeared on several times. Carlson also pushes the "great replacement" theory and no-one with progressive principles should have anything to do with him, let alone normalise his racism. My guess is that KJK has swallowed the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line and is going down a dangerous rabbit hole. But I'm out.

Anti trans because they are homophobic? That makes no sense at all. Why conflate trans with homosexuality?

I gave up. I suggest you do too.

Strange how people who have given up on MN still manage to read it and post to lecture us on using MN.

If someone could find a racist post in FWR I'd love to see it!

What poppycock.

Even if KJK never appeared on anything deemed right-wing again, would she ever be pure enough, or clean enough, to support?

I'm pretty sure the monitors here would never see her as anything other than tainted by association, so why should she care what you think? I assume anyone that likes KJK is also tainted by that association with her too, so we must all be filthy. If someone views me like that, why would I care about their opinion?

How about instead of telling everyone here off, go and lobby all your lovely left-wing media sources, maybe ask them why they never have anyone with a GC viewpoint on?

And for all the misrepresenting MN as supporting Boris, you're not reading the same threads that I am. I agree with him about what a woman is and that's about it, the same as most people on here. Agreeing on one thing (that almost everyone in the world would also agree with!) does not mean endorsing every single view someone has, surely people can understand that?

I can agree with people on some things and not on others, it's shocking that everything is so tribal now and no good will come from it.

I'm pretty sure the monitors here would never see her as anything other than tainted by association, so why should she care what you think?

I think that’s what kills her detractors, with these including TRAs and GC feminists and left-wing progressives alike - KJK doesn’t give a fuck what they think about her or accuse her of.

A pp was correct - I think it was notbad - these threads about ideological purity are always about KJK. It’s because she’s effective. The monitors would love it if she just went away.

Even if KJK never appeared on anything deemed right-wing again, would she ever be pure enough, or clean enough, to support?

Of course not. The right-wing/wrong platform thing is just an excuse to try and silence her.

There is a very good reason left wing US talk shows equivalent to Tucker Carlson would never have KJK on: they’re scared of her. She will speak absolute truth, no nonsense, refuse to lie, and would ultimately show up both them and the whole ideology.

Look what happened when Matt Walsh went on Dr Phil. He asked a simple question and got absolute nonsense back from his non-binary/trans debating opponents.

The left wing media in the US would be terrified of real people nodding along, and TRAs waving placards outside the foyer.

They are cowards.

And for all the misrepresenting MN as supporting Boris, you're not reading the same threads that I am. I agree with him about what a woman is and that's about it, the same as most people on here. Agreeing on one thing (that almost everyone in the world would also agree with!) does not mean endorsing every single view someone has, surely people can understand that?

Maybe not endorsing, but all the "life long Labour voter here, it's with a heavy heart I'm going to vote Tory" posts allow him to implement these very same policies (collective) you don't endorse.

Guilty as charged.

But it's not for me to hold my nose and vote for the purer option.

It's for them to stop fucking up women's rights and CONVINCE ME.

Maybe not endorsing, but all the "life long Labour voter here, it's with a heavy heart I'm going to vote Tory" posts allow him to implement these very same policies (collective) you don't endorse.

As opposed to what? I'm in Scotland so the destruction of education, NHS, train services, local economy, freedom of speech, and next women's rights fall squarely on the SNP. It is never a case of Tory bad, everyone else good. It is always a balance. Do I think Corbyn would have done better these last few years? Absolutely not! Do I want labour to pull themselves together, stop supporting the destruction of women's rights and find politicians who could form a credible government? Absolutely!

JKJ is a very clever strategist. Imagine getting such airtime exposure in the US; so that such a large swathe of people will hear her speak.

And she is not even from the U.S. I wonder if CT believes in dental hygiene. If so, I certainly hope you don't brush your teeth or floss@concernedfriend500. Or, may it clear you don't concur if he thinks a parent should nurture and protect their children.

Op, can you not pluck a discrete concept from the surrounding conception (or background noise)?

It is like a baby in bathwater. Some just go on about the gross state of the water. Others, look and see the baby. It is just my opinion of course, but I think you may only see the dirty bathwater and are unable to place a higher value on what is more important; i.e. the baba.

First rule, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! That is an expression, before some disengenuous goblin tries to attribute it to a literal call to violence.

Exactly. That's for Kier to think over. Does he want my vote or not? So far, it doesn't look like he does.

And I should still go on voting for him, why?

You don’t think a single racist post has ever been posted on FWR? The link I posted earlier in the thread unfortunately had to have some racist posts deleted, I’ve also seen the n word typed out in full (again, thankfully deleted). And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.

As racist posts get reported and deleted it would be hard to find one again.

OP, the message KJK has for the world ( A woman is an adult human female) is so important now that I don't care who she works with to get it across. I don't care. She doesn't care.

In my support of this message I'm sharing the posts of lesbians (I'm straight), former Communists (I'm a former Thatcherite), self-focused Irish guys, comedians, MPs, Baronesses, scientists, any flipping fucker who will say the words and speak up for women.

I'm not 'over' or 'done' with any of them. What has happened in the last few years is destroying women's lives, negating their existence, rolling back all the progress we've made in the last hundred-plus years. We need all the backing we can muster. The message needs to be out there.

And when we've got the message out for the UK and the rest of the world, repealed the GRA for the protection of women, there's more work to be done. This is the very beginning, not near-the-end. Those people who say 'the tide is turning, we're close to winning' have a very limited battle in mind. Our battle is great, enormous. There's a lot to be done and Kellie-Jay Keen is leading the way.

This.

KJ uses any platform she can, and to be fair to her, she has done a lot to raise awareness of this issue. Shes well spoken and gives no fucks about pissing people off. We need people like that. She is unapologetic and absolutely right on some things.
Saying that, I also find it uncomfortable, some of her alliances, so i stopped following or watching her stuff.
I think just because you agree with someone on one issue, you dont have to agree with them on everything.

The fact is, gender ideology is not a left wing or a right wing issue.

As racist posts get reported and deleted it would be hard to find one again.

That is the point.

They get deleted. So they are not accepted behaviour. At all.

The hyperbolic twisting of the views of the people they disagree with is a huge part of the problem.

Like this oft repeated idea that American Republican, and even British Tory voters, only recognize women as a sex so they can opress them, and would like them to stay home and not vote? That's actually a crazy charachterization. Most female Republicns, of whom there are many, are quite happy voting, going out to work, and men and women are sending their daughters to university, have no desire to see their daughters involved in domestic abuse, disenfranchised, or anything else. They also tend to be happy to support female political leaders who reflect their views, Condoleeza Rice being a good example.

And I am still ??? that people do not realize, after multiple people have pointed it out, that "replacement theory" is a Democrat idea which has been openly expressed by Democrats, their have been books written about it, by Democrats. Republicans don't like it, in part because it's bloody racist.

People need to look into what they accept from their media sources which typically do not look back farther than 3 minutes ago.

and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is.

Surely this line from the OP is the important one?

It isn't related to what platform KJK speaks from or who she speaks to, but of who she praises and highlights as a "good guy".

For all the people who say they will hold their nose and vote Tory, I have not seen any who also praise BJ as a "good guy", or indeed praise him at all.

I think choosing not to be critical of someone's words because of the good work they do is counteractive to what the gender critical stance strives to do - ie using critical thought and not placing anyone on a sacred pedestal.

It is KJK's personal opinion of course, but equally, others can be critical of that without it having any bearing on the strength of their convictions about GC activism and goals.

Of course anyone can be critical of anyone. But warning women to stay away from another woman because she mixes with the wrong crowd has about as much to do with critical thinking as my mum warning me not to hang out with X cos she'd been spotted snogging the local hells angel.

and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is

Surely this line from the OP is the important one?

and you’ve seen this youself? As previously mentioned im a lazy fucker so if you you could link to this then that would be awesome

Oh my actual god

yourself

obvs

Thank you iam