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Kellie Jay Keen and Tucker Carlson of Fox News

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concernedfriend500 · 20/05/2022 09:40

I used to admire Kellie Jay Keen for her staunch defence of women's rights and her refusal to bow down to the bullies. But I'm so over her now. Last night I watched one of her YouTube videos and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is. For those of you who don't know, Carlson is a right wing troll who has been accused of being a white supremacist. He presents an insanely popular talk show on US Fox News, on which KJL has appeared on several times. Carlson also pushes the "great replacement" theory and no-one with progressive principles should have anything to do with him, let alone normalise his racism. My guess is that KJK has swallowed the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line and is going down a dangerous rabbit hole. But I'm out.

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FOJN · 31/05/2022 07:01

Does anyone have the link to the Tucker Carlson interview? I can't find it....

It appears to be posted in five segments of about 10 - 12 minutes each. The link to the first one is below, all the others are linked below the first segment on YouTube. I didn't watch it until yesterday and Kelly didn't say very much I hadn't heard before but it was fascinating in many ways, she is very clever at using whatever exposure she gets to maximum benefit. People can say what they like about her but she is a woman with a mission and a very effective strategy, she does not care who you vote for, what news channel you watch or what newspaper you read, if you are a woman she is campaigning for your rights. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it very well.

KJK does not call herself a feminist so I fail to see how she can damage feminism. However many women who do call themselves feminist are full on TWAW but somehow including men in your feminism is fine.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 08:19

KJK does not call herself a feminist so I fail to see how she can damage feminism

i think from what I’ve read that if any feminist says she has the right to speak, or gosh shes brave or i agree with that one thing she says then the castle of feminist cards will come tumbling down

like not clapping for tinkerbell

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 09:53

Then the gender critical movement is harming feminism.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 10:01

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 09:53

Then the gender critical movement is harming feminism.

How exactly?

Lovelyricepudding · 31/05/2022 10:19

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 09:53

Then the gender critical movement is harming feminism.

So you think feminists should embrace gender? Promote sex stereotypes?

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 10:46

Gender has always been criticised by feminists.
The gender critical movement though is not feminist

Lovelyricepudding · 31/05/2022 10:56

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 10:46

Gender has always been criticised by feminists.
The gender critical movement though is not feminist

It might help if you explain what you think the 'gender critical movement' is and believes?

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 11:23

The gender critical movement though is not feminist

Please explain why you feel this is so.

Datun · 31/05/2022 11:41

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 11:23

The gender critical movement though is not feminist

Please explain why you feel this is so.

Yes, I'd be interested in that.

The beauty of Kellie-Jay is that she refuses to play the game that transactivists try and force on people to control their speech. Name calling to shut them down.

People can go ahead and criticise her, but criticising her doesn't stop her, in any way. Quite the opposite.

Call her not a feminist. Ok! She says she isn't one. Try and undermine her by calling attention to her painted nails and platinum blonde hair, she revels in saying how gender conforming she is. I imagine the Nazi Barbie was a response to criticism. That's what she does. She doesn't just let it not matter, she shows it doesn't matter.

Transactivists run out of ways to criticise her, because she doesn't just rob it of its power, she shows it being robbed of its power.

So because she's Teflon, they go after the people who platform her. And when that doesn't work, they go after the people who watch the people who platform her!

It's all so desperately ineffective. And she knows it.

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 12:35

It is easy to ignore criticism when you are arrogant.
And easy to dismiss it when you label anyone criticising as a transactivist. Is Julie Bindel also a transactivist? Or how do you dismiss her criticism?

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 12:38

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 12:35

It is easy to ignore criticism when you are arrogant.
And easy to dismiss it when you label anyone criticising as a transactivist. Is Julie Bindel also a transactivist? Or how do you dismiss her criticism?

Sorry? Who are you asking?

We are still waiting to hear how "The gender critical movement though is not feminist" and "the gender critical movement is harming feminism."

Lovelyricepudding · 31/05/2022 12:48

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 12:38

Sorry? Who are you asking?

We are still waiting to hear how "The gender critical movement though is not feminist" and "the gender critical movement is harming feminism."

Clearly trying to deflect.

Come on francesfrankenfurter what exactly are your criticism of the gender critical movement? We are waiting to engage with them.

MangyInseam · 31/05/2022 12:59

Something that occured to me the other day, is that if you are talking about numbers, PP and also certain other feminists who have spoken out about this have, in fact, improved quite a lot of people's views on feminist. There were a lot of people, men but especually some women, who have felt, not only disengaged from feminsim, but as if it has been a hostole thing which they were really alianated from, which rejected them as women.

Lots of those women have been giving it a second look and thinking that there might be something there for them, it might be a conversation they would like to be involved in, maybe they could bring their thoughts and they would be heard, after all.

I have wondered if a lot of the worry that cerain people have is not that feminism will get a bad reputation, but that it will be more respectful of all women and have a broader intellectual discourse, rather than reflexivly labling many women as retrograde handmaidens. Because that has been an excellent way for certain people to control feminist discourse and whatever political power they can squeeze out of claiming to represent women's interests.

In as much as feminsim, like other movements, has been captured by partisan identity politics, it could be the first to really reject that influence and expression of power, largely because of the clear wake up call of gender ideology. That's truely dangerous, especially if it gets people talking about the underlying methods that mode of politics uses to maintain control. That's why people freak out, or sometimes genuinly feel afraid if they have been captured by that viewpoint, when they see "feminists" considering thinkers or even associating with people from the wrong political tribes. It's a clear sign that they are throwing off those mental shackles.

Scary stuff for some. But I would maintain that it has significantly widened awareness and appreciation for feminist thought among women. It's just a matter of whether you think they are the right kind of women.

Datun · 31/05/2022 16:07

francesfrankenfurter · 31/05/2022 12:35

It is easy to ignore criticism when you are arrogant.
And easy to dismiss it when you label anyone criticising as a transactivist. Is Julie Bindel also a transactivist? Or how do you dismiss her criticism?

Oh dear God. She's not ignoring the criticism through arrogance, she's ignoring it to rob it of its power. Hence things like selling a 'transphobic dog whistle' from her merchandise shop.

The transactivism that is usurping women's rights would be absolutely powerless, if people ignored it. Which everyone is legally entitled to do. And she knows full well that not everyone is in that position. The same cannot be said for our politicians, of course.

She's not trying to rob Julie Bindel of power.🙄

Delphinium20 · 02/06/2022 08:15

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 25/05/2022 18:13

How should anyone here know? He obvously doesn't know much about the subject, because feminists have been opposing FGM for decades. It was a small triumph when we managed to get the worrds changed from 'female circumcision' (which sounds much less violent than the reality) to 'female genital mutilation'.

And who cares what some random man says about feminists anyway?

If I had a dollar every time a man who doesn't give two shits about women said some variation of, "Where are the feminists?" I'd be able to buy every billboard in the world and paint them green, white and purple.

witchitalineswoman · 02/06/2022 10:47

Delphinium20 · 02/06/2022 08:15

If I had a dollar every time a man who doesn't give two shits about women said some variation of, "Where are the feminists?" I'd be able to buy every billboard in the world and paint them green, white and purple.

Why do you think Tucker Carlson doesn't give a shit about women? He gave Kellie-Jay an hour long interview on Fox last week.

BatStevens · 02/06/2022 13:21

Tucker Carlson has his pronouns in the bio

twitter.com/TuckerCarlson?s=09

Kellie Jay Keen and Tucker Carlson of Fox News
francesfrankenfurter · 02/06/2022 15:03

Tucker Carlson gave Kellie-Jay an hour long interview because misogynists love attractive women who back up their views.
Phyllis Schaffer had the same type of reception.

LilyPAnderson · 11/10/2022 21:32

I think Kellie enjoys being well known online, and is going to start a campaign in the USA. I think she would even get in with those extreme religious, misogynist USA men if it made her more famous.

I think European society tends to be more healthy between men an women, and the USA has a lot of problems between men and women. I don't know if it's because they think they're the only country with free speech so think they should shoot their mouths off at each other for the sake of it, but the men and women there seem to annoy each other and blame each other, while rest of the world just sees them as annoying Americans. There was a USA man banned from entering many European countries for promoting men abuse women while travelling, and he was confused as thought it was just free speech.
Also many Americans seem so brainwashed by cold war propaganda, what they constantly call left wing, is actually mainly promoted by USA capitalism. Yet Kellie parrots their sayings with leftie this and that. Policies of most left wing countries in Europe such as most of those in Scandinavia and north Europe are a free health care service and cheap or free university. While the USA promotes to the rest of the world a melting pot culture and liberal gender ideas. Yet Americans rant on about how lefties cause that.

Shakenotslurred · 11/10/2022 21:43

concernedfriend500 · 20/05/2022 09:40

I used to admire Kellie Jay Keen for her staunch defence of women's rights and her refusal to bow down to the bullies. But I'm so over her now. Last night I watched one of her YouTube videos and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is. For those of you who don't know, Carlson is a right wing troll who has been accused of being a white supremacist. He presents an insanely popular talk show on US Fox News, on which KJL has appeared on several times. Carlson also pushes the "great replacement" theory and no-one with progressive principles should have anything to do with him, let alone normalise his racism. My guess is that KJK has swallowed the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line and is going down a dangerous rabbit hole. But I'm out.

Yawn.

ZeldaFighter · 11/10/2022 21:53

NecessaryScene · 20/05/2022 11:27

not supposed to here.

OMG. The shame.

I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed.

ZeldaFighter · 11/10/2022 21:54

Also he was wearing shoes with no socks 😬

CliantheLang · 12/10/2022 18:34

New rule: No one who supports literal Nazis in Ukraine gets to call anyone else right-wing.

Signed,
One of those loudmouthed Americans who gets to shoot their mouths off for the sake of it

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