Kellie Jay Keen and Tucker Carlson of Fox News

[concernedfriend500]

I used to admire Kellie Jay Keen for her staunch defence of women's rights and her refusal to bow down to the bullies. But I'm so over her now. Last night I watched one of her YouTube videos and she praised Tucker Carlson to the skies, saying what what a good guy he is. For those of you who don't know, Carlson is a right wing troll who has been accused of being a white supremacist. He presents an insanely popular talk show on US Fox News, on which KJL has appeared on several times. Carlson also pushes the "great replacement" theory and no-one with progressive principles should have anything to do with him, let alone normalise his racism. My guess is that KJK has swallowed the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" line and is going down a dangerous rabbit hole. But I'm out.

I whole heartedly agree with this. I vote Tory- I live in Scotland- I'm a Unionist of course I'm going to vote Tory. On economics I'm centrist right , on social issues , generally liberal with the exception of pornography and prostitution.

To be honest this mischaracterisation of any one who isn't a lefty hacks me off ( e.g that recent self- congratulatory back- slapping thread about being left wing and gender critical). I just end up thinking- you know I sign your petitions, donate to your crowd funders, like tweets, write to MPs etc.but could you (general self- proclaimed lefty you) just bore off with your mind reading abilities imposing arbitrary, illogical and frankly insulting motivations about why I have formulated my views just because I'm not left wing.

Republicans don't like it, in part because it's bloody racist.

Is this a joke?

@concernedfriend500 I agree with you. KJK speaks eloquently when she's speaking about women's rights, but her understanding of U.S. government and politics is limited and her U.S. choice of platform makes me cringe. I'm an American on the left and things are different here. If we took a poll of U.S. women who vote Democrat (the people U.S. feminists need to persuade about gender ideology) and asked them if they'd trust anyone who spoke on Tucker Carlson, the response would be pretty low. But this is a UK site, so you're not going to get a cross section who would reflect that.

American women are fighting abortion rights and loads of other things, including white supremacist ideology which Tucker Carlson has been shown to promote.

I consider myself GC but feel I have little in common with the 'feminists' of MN who align themselves with the American Republicans who are eagerly whipping away American women's reproductive rights. And as for claiming that the GOP is anti racist...

totally agree.

What do you mean 'align'?

Are they aligning themselves with them really? Or just agreeing and using every tiny piece of chink in the armour to try and stop people dishing out high strength drugs that sterilise kids, to kids????

What a bingo card.

Thread is started by an OP who is pretty much unknown to me (not that unusual) and has no/little posting history on FWR.

Receives support from posters who are pretty similar in profile yet have no difficulty in informing all other readers whom they don't know that they have greater insight into an astonishing array of matters and confidently inform readers and posters here that they are 'feministing' wrong. I'd suggest that it would be difficult for you to have a sense of whether you have much in common with others if you don't post much here and if you don't interact with others (including the many FWR regulars or new people apart from the ones mentioned) who are neither reading nor posting here.

FWR is accustomed to that, of course.

What's more disturbing is that such posters appear to be indifferent to, or unaware of KJK's repeated statement that she is not a feminist and would, like them, plausibly not align with some posters on FWR.

Added to the above, is the repeated acknowledgement that adults sometimes find themselves agreeing on a matter of material reality but it does not follow that they agree on more than that.

It is possible for people to have a rare point of agreement without ever being in a formal coalition (or even an informal one). The fact that people who are diametrically opposed on many issues will have separate interests and yet can bring themselves to acknowledge a material reality is predictable. For anyone to deny material reality in case there is a chance that an individual, or an organisation would also agree on that material reality, would lead to intolerable cognitive dissonance on an individual or societal level.

I consider myself GC but feel I have little in common with the 'feminists' of MN who align themselves with the American Republicans who are eagerly whipping away American women's reproductive rights

no one is aligning

unless this is a joke? Is it a joke?

im not sure it is but its really hard to tell anymore

Anne Marie Waters (pictured wearing Adult Human Female T Shirt) gave the "first great replacement speech by a UK politician".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Marie_Waters

This board should be renamed as the KJK Fan Club Board. That at least would be honest

you wouldn’t recognise honest if it stood in front of you with a sign saying ‘i am honest’

But this is why lots of actual feminists do not bother engaging here. She disagrees with you so you start with an insult. You imply this is somehow coordinated. And you ignore any points made.

I wonder about your nationality that you regard a bingo card as an insult rather than an observation.

I'm unsurprised by your DARVO. However, I'm pleased that you now have several similarly minded posters with whom you might engage on substantive matters such as deploring the people who do post about FWR.

Maybe in the US, but I've found MN FWR to be very welcoming and respectful of black women's opinions

No way

See the replies to my comment, for example. Black Women are not respected at all. Even in the way we are answered. They pick out 1 word from your comment them say its all rubbish. & don't address anything else.

& how many from this board, go over to Black MN to be disparaging? Do they think we don't notice they're here too?

Tbh they sound exactly like right wing White Male privilege that only sees itself, and rigidly cannot and will not empathise with anyone who doesn't look like them.

Tucker Carlson has no interest in womens rights. K being on his show for 'popularity' is seen as fine; she is appearing with a racist who pushed the Great Replacement Theory, and at a time like this I'm not going to think oh well its ok, womens' rights...I see her as someone happy to appear alongside that abhorrent man. Oh, and great timing.

& Feminism as represented here as coldly callous, in 'so what' fashion at a sensitive time. It doesnt represent me or any Black Woman I know, I only see 'Well I'M Black and I agree with whats being said by the majority...' on MN...

You are complaining about insults after calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a homophobe?

Hardly any of you drawing a line at being all buddy-buddy with a white nationalist.

Why am I not surprised.

Do you see any irony at all in writing off people based on their skin colour and then accusing others of being racist?

So she's wearing one of Kellie-Jay's T shirts, that doesn't mean she endorses her

That does means she is aligned with the GC movement though.

That does means she is aligned with the GC movement though

it means she believes in dictionary definitions

Like the dictionary definitions that define trans womenas women?

*trans women as women

Like the dictionary definitions that define trans womenas women?

im not sure that will be as catchy on a t shirt 🤔

you’re attempting at gotcha at the wrong person by the way……

I’m not the one attempting a stretch at something written on a t shirt

Which dictionary has done anything as ridiculous as that?

It’s the name that’s confusing people, isn’t it? People hear “trans woman” and think it means a woman living as a man, when of course it means the opposite, this is why people make the mistake.

The whole point is that a trans woman is a man who is living as a woman to ameliorate their gender dysphoria. Why would anyone who understand this think that they are a woman?

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