Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

The reason for commencing proceedings against both is to cover all the bases and prevent the entity you did sue claiming the other one is the only liable party.

Thank you for the explanation! So that’s why GCC are being sued as two entities. It’s so satisfying when you get an answer to a question you didn’t even know your brain was wondering about.

JK saying AB was angry rather than upset. You can see the upset in the language AB uses in that email.

JK again saying that AB is 'angry' - she uses that word alone, and did so yesterday.

What BC has just read out of AB's words is a lot of things, she sounds sad and distraught, etc, rather than angry.

It definitely came across as sad, to me; wistful, even.

Shamelessly placemaking for today. Finally have a day where I'm not very busy so hoping to follow some of it live.

Morning! Have they started yet? Im
dialled in but just see a black screen.

The reason they didn't know is because they didn't look. Absolutely ridiculous as a defence. As is the suggestion that the person on the receiving end of the threats didn't deserve support because they weren't constantly flagging it.

If it wasn't so early, I would suggest a drinking game - a drink for every:

'I can't recall'
'We were too busy'
'I don't know'
'It was two years ago'
'It was the marketing depts (or anybody but mine) fault'
'I don't use Twitter'

Also - can we add 'two and a half years ago' to the bingo card please? 🙄

GCC barristers are continually slipping in the times of emails when they're sent very late at night or very early in the morning. The goal would seem to be to imply that AB was obsessive.

Insisting on reading that whole email out was an own goal wasn't it?

Oh my what a nasty letter from JK to AB. "you as an intelligent woman have chosen to take a controversial position etc" "you created this situatoin" "you didn't inform us beforehand" "you had a duty to alert us" "we had to deal with this at short notice while dealing with other things" etc

1.38 in the morning. If JK mentions this once again, I'm going to scream

Ah, my bad, sorted now

Chilling we'd be under the table by ten!

And no, you didn't show any compassion JK

‘It was very late at night’ - another for the bingo-card.

JK talking over BC to say angry again when BC said extremely upset!

We see you JK.

Yes, to add:

'It was 5 in the morning'
'She should have picked up the phone'

Do we have "I had sent that email late at night after working hard all day" on the bingo card

This is a work of genius

It is rather clear Spindle that there are some posters who simply cannot understand the many aspects and layers of why many on these threads appreciate Ben Cooper. The list is very long.

Sorry, one last thing. I want to add, loudly for sorry, is that I am not even sure it would matter if Ben Cooper is critical of gender identity or what 'side' he is on as long as he was not an extreme trans rights activist and all that entails.

We suppose that he is not (and extreme trans rights activist) due to the very fact that he does have a very deep understanding of Maya and Allison's views by this stage and we have rarely seen an extreme trans right activist who does have that level of understanding . I am sure there are a few out there, but as I say, they are rare, and they regularly end up grasping the wrong end of the stick.

Actually for this email, the sending was from JK so mentioning the time was to convey the message that JK and GCC were so pressed by the multiple crises that they were barely able to keep up, and AB was the icing on the cake.

‘If Alison had picked up the phone...’

Maybe she was upset, or scared? You can’t blame her for not reacting in a specific, tolerated way to your rudeness and negligence.

We have to add 'being HoC was a labour of love, etc' to the bingo card.