Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

@AdamRyan

What is the nature of you being triggered by her on the stand? What is it giving you flashbacks to?

Use your imagination.
I’m absolutely sure there are a plenty of people out there who can relate to what they are seeing/hearing on the Johnny and Amber show.
You don’t need to be be particularly perceptive to work that out.

i can understand that, as an (Ex) abuse victim.

However what I have learned in the many years I've been out of there is that loud voice and banging doesn't necessarily mean bad towards her.

As a society we need to move away from the idea that aggression is worse than anything else.

I would imagine PP has been in a situation where she has been accused of lying - and your assertion that your trigger is worse than her trigger is at worse, insensitive.

"Not because Knightley isn't an attractive woman, but mostly because she is two decades younger than Depp. He told Vanity Fair, "Kissing someone you are not romantically involved with is always awkward, but the fact that Keira is 20-something years younger than me made it infinitely more awkward. Still, she was a good sport about it and we did what we had to do."Even though there was some speculation about just how close they really were, Knightley said she did appreciate just how down to Earth Depp was, despite his A-list status. She told IGN in 2003, "It's really weird, because he's a huge star of Hollywood, but he's such a nice bloke. We'd be over at the craft services wagon and he'd make a cup of tea and we'd have a chat and have a giggle, and do a scene then. He's just really, really, really lovely." So, with that clarified, what's behind all of the Depp and Knightley dating rumors?"

interesting.

That’s called PR. Unfortunately he appears to have the best in the world.

Lucky for him the world is already dripping with hatred for women too.

And ah yes I forgot sorry 😳 Only woke folx van be triggered

you said did anyone find the lying triggering

and adam said not as much as the violence

both are valid and neither of you appeared to be in competition up until your comment above and adams questioning of your triggering which was obviously the wrong thing to say

Yep…unfortunately youre bang out of luck there

take heart not many posts left to go ☕️

Hatred for woman?

He has a mutual care and respect with all of his exes, and his sister seems pretty close.

This. This this this this this.

I did laugh at your 'if I was a cabinet '.

The thing I struggle with, and adam is not alone in this, is people who vehemently defend women in all cases purely based on their sex and argue that any slight towards them is misogyny or hatred of woman. Ita not actually doing anyone any favours. If you listen to Amber she is utterly deluded and genuinely holds herself up as this sort of beacon on DA and genuinely believed she would sail through the trial as an abused woman and come out the other end a sort of hero. This shite has been put in her head by people who have the same kind of ideas as PP. The vast majority of people in the world judge people on their actions and how they present themselves not on their sex. And all of the hand wringing in tbe world about women being a badly done to sex and misogyny etc etc doesnt actually help he fact that in the modern world, the majority of people dont behave like that. and I find it frankly insulting, he suggestion that women are always good and men are always bad, and I'm a woman. She got with Johnny knowing he was an addict and quite toxic. All of this is because he ended things with her. Mental behaviour, all excused because shes a woman. And encouraging her delusion wont help her.

I’m lucky in that ive no real experience of any type of violence really

but i was speaking to a friend about this case last week….not details, she just didn’t understand why there was a british and american’ and who was suing who type of thing

she spoke about how as a child hare mother and her were terrified of her fathers fury, he yelled and swore at her mother, yelled at her, smashed things, slammed cupboards etc

never laid a finger on her but she is still dealing with it

(actually it opened up to my other friend saying her parents have never said they love her due to their traumatic childhoods…my mum was the opposite)

so i can see how adam could be ‘triggered’ without anyone laying a finger on her

(and quite obviously how birdie and others could be ‘triggered’ by other things)

You didn’t read what I said. His PR are taking advantage of the fact the world hates women.

I don’t see how any sane person can read those messages and believe he respects women.

Including his Ex Cunt French Extortionist wife?

It's easy to tell if posters think JD is an abuse victim. If they're sharing any disinformation about any abuse victims or patterns of abuse, then they don't think he's a victim. They don't care about JD or abuse and are simply MRAs.

One of the outcomes of the US case will be campaigns around vexatious litigants and using the courts as a tactic of abuse.

And one of the outcomes globally will be an increased focus on strengthening the laws around social media. There is already a push around verification, anonymity, cracking down on bots, treating sites as publishers and having a zero tolerance policy on abuse.

Government advisers and global organisations are following the JD 'campaign' closely because it's a perfect example of how and why social media is broken. It's the nadir or pinnacle depending on your pov of bots, abuse, parasocial relationships, paid-for campaigns masquerading as grassroots, gaslighting and disrupting. It illustrates how social media is broken, why it matters and how it can be fixed. From that perspective, the MRAs have unintentionally done everyone, but especially women, a favour. The sheer volume of evidence they have provided throughout their JD 'campaign' supports everything the social media campaigners and MPs have been saying about social media, disinformation and abuse against women.

@AgnesNaismith the world doesnt hate women.

I wonder why OP wants to close the thread 😂 failed echo chamber

One in three women suffer domestic abuse.
Two women a week (in this country) are killed by a partner or ex partner
Roe v Wade being repealed
female infanticide
genital mutilation
Having to cover your whole body and being stoned to death for cheating in Saudi Arabia
Being gang raped and then blamed for it in India
No education in many countries

WHAT FUCKING WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?

I really hope this is true

I think minutes might be someone who is suffering cognitive dissonance when she is presented with evidence women are systematically disadvantaged.

Its easier to deny it than examine how different life could be if we lived in a world that was equal.

Same - it’s good to read a possible positive outcome. It’s awful someone has to bear the brunt of this ‘experiment’ though.

I'm mostly horrified that people think a simmering ball of anger swearing and smashing up cupboards isn't abuse. It's very damaging to victims, many of whom walk on eggshells so as not to tip their abuser from that into violence.

And why on earth there is no expectation he should control that behaviour and a clear implication that's an acceptable way to behave. It isn't.

I'm reading articles from the US and the UK that are looking at this JD campaign in horror. It has been so blatant in its women-hating, disinformation and gaslighting that it's really shone a light on the current state of social media and misogyny.
It's also becoming significant because politicians and organisations are looking at it in the context of what it means for democracy and social cohesion if social media can be manipulated by bad actors (pun not intended!).
There's a sense of a crossroads being reached. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I agree, I lived with someone like that and his answer was always "I am not hitting you, am I?' It was terrifying and the subliminal message was always - 'I am not hitting you, yet.' It was awful and scary and to be honest watching this recording really triggered me.

And before anyone says anything, it shouldn't be acceptable from anyone, regardless of whether it is being done by a man or a woman. Anger is a valid emotion, but how we express it is within our control. No one should get a pass for such behaviour, but, somehow, guys often get excused for 'being unable to express their emotions differently.'

those texts are unbelievable. i cant pass over them. they are the perfect evidence.