Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Yep. That's my view. I don't believe what some people are saying that they can't be mutually abusive and one is always the abuser and the other the reactive abuser. I have just listened to a very long audiotape where snippets have been played in court to get the full context.

What I heard was basically she gets mad in arguments very quickly and gets verbally and physically abusive. He runs away which makes her worse. At times she voices something she's not happy with and he gets defensive and mad and they both get heated and it gets verbally and physically abusive.

He also goes on benders and is high/ drunk and she says something and he flies off and gets physically and verbally abusive.

It seems to be it isn't just one person the whole time. It is both of them all the time. It escalated.

As usual with Amber she can't control herself. She must be an absolute nightmare client for Elaine and Rottenboy. It's no wonder that Elaine has been seen crying and having an argument with

Where is this? I bet she was a hard client to represent though as she does seem to change much of her story. She definitely didn't seem to have the same relationship with her lawyers that Depp had.

Kate Moss's was called as a witness to rebut one specific piece of AH's testimony. JD's lawyers were not allowed ask her anything outside of the stairs incident. He couldn't take advantage of her being on the stand to state he had never been abusive to her as it wasn't allowed by the court. The reason his lawyer reacted the way he did when AH mentioned KM was because AH had opened the door to allow them to call her, but only to rebut AH's testimony of the stairs incident. The jury should be instructed as to the parameters of KM's evidence and be told not to read anything into the fact that she only spoke about that one time.

It's wrong, imo, for us to draw conclusions that KM didn't give him a ringing endorsement as a non abusive person just because she didn't say so under oath. Legally she couldn't. The fact that she was willing to testify will go in his favour. I can't imagine many would testify on behalf of their abusers about an abusive accusation.

Oh I can imagine women defending their abusers, it happens all the time. We have some general examples of the mental gymnastics on this thread as well. And for the sake of lurkers that I once was: there is no such thing as mutual abuse. Abuse is about dominating your partner, overpowering them and being the one who keeps your partner in fear. Abuser is the one who you know that, bottom line, could take your life(even if it’s physical altercation that the victim started, abusers rarely if ever kill in self defence because they are stronger and can use their physical strength either way-the life of the victim is not important to them so they are easily reckless in their actions). Abusers are the ones who always start the relationship with very little space to give or change, even if they seem lovning and whatnot-abuser wants to control the whole relationship. Amber was the one trying to help him with addiction-he lashes out, she wants to do whatever movie roles she wants-he starts sabotaging, having jealousy fits, keeps humiliating her. These behaviours accumulated over time, are you all fucking serious saying that you wouldn’t start defending yourself like she did at one point and tell this guy to go fuck himself at the very least? I would do a lot worse to him as I have become”unhinged”with my abuser and then he did what I would never do just to get back at someone-he risked not only lives of those close to him but of many more people around. That is something abusers do-they are willing to go all the way in order to try to control you, even if takes killing you and harming others.

Those who assume she is an abuser have no valid points as to how she started the abuse, why or what would she get out of it and most importantly 0 evidence that she could overpower him in any way. The reason you hear her”sounding awful”in the tapes is because that’s the only thing she can do to respond to whatever humiliating shit he done to her in bed or otherwise when she couldn’t resist. It’s sickening how far people would go to blame women under every cost. It’s a disgrace.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I'm sure Johnny would have taken full advantage if one of his ex partners was prepared to stand up in court to say he was never abusive.

He did have witnesses to say that but they weren't allowed to be called. The judge ruled them not germane to the case. Barkin was allowed to testify because she spoke about bottle throwing. Kate Moss too was not allowed to testify initially, only on rebuttal after Heard had mentioned her name. And her testimony could only refer to the stairs incident.

Amber was the one trying to help him with addiction-

Didn't Amber post pictures of him passed out on social? I'm not sure how helpful public humiliation was.

KM's evidence was irrelevant either way. AH didn't state the KM stair incident as a fact. AH stated when her and her DSIS were at the stairs with JD acting the way he was, AH remembered what she'd heard and responded.

KM's testimony couldn't prove or disprove what AH had heard about JD and KM. It was one of those showboating tactics that JD's team hoped would distract and confuse the jury. Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Who knows how smart the jury are and how swayed by celebrity? Obviously JD's team are pinning their hopes on a US jury having less understanding of the law/abuse and evidence, than a UK judge.

She didn't post it on social media she sent it to her firends for whatever reason-it's in no way as humiliating as the texts he been sending to his buddies or the way he treated her sexually. You all forget how disgusting men act in all aspects of life to us as soon as a woman does something not presentable.

You’re right, abuse was the wrong word for me to use

my point was more that I don’t doubt that she may have hit him

i haven’t looked into everything as much as other posters may have but i do believe that AH has lied (maybe partly out of fear she wouldn’t be believed) but obviously JP is lying as well

Sorry Rufus I wasn't going after you or what you wrote, I read through posts and found this mutual abuse thing keep being repeated with no basis. Likewise her not being 100% honest is nothing unusual, not many people are nor is it that she lies so much as people are labeling it as lies as soon as there's space for slightly different versions of events etc. I don't doubt she hit him either but again it has little relevance after you assess what I wrote above

No need to apologise, although im very good with words in real life, and have used your thread to talk to friends and family about this case, i seem to lose the ability to post coherently on here

i agree completely with your post

Thank god at least some people in real life aren't JDs fans, that's comforting

I'm not a Depp fan. You should not assume anyone who doesn't unquestionlingly support your preferred narrative is a Depp fan.

"More nonsense. Abuse can cover screaming, shouting and calling people names. That is frequently mutual in heated arguments between couples and women are just as capable of getting into physical fights with their partner, male or female, as men are."

Oh wow look at that-suddenly we are not"sensitive"for calling out JD slamming shit around kitchen and calling her names-when it comes to calling out AH's behaviour the definition of abuse magically changes!

I'm happy to watch you spin in circles for as long as you wish. You don't even to attempt to refute that comparison of power of JD and AH doesn't hold water of your thesis.

And if people can call me"AH fan"for defending women then I can call them JDs fans for defending abusers

The theory that only one person in a couple can be an abuser is pretty eccentric.

No it is not eccentric-it's saying it as it is without unneccessary whataboutery, followed by common sense and what we know about physical strength as well what money can buy along with the psychological effect of a person having those even if they do not use it as an abuser.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

So in your world, only men can be abusers, and if the woman is, its whataboutery. Wow.

Amber is an abuser

She implied it deliberately.

"That is absolutely ridiculous.

So in your world, only men can be abusers, and if the woman is, its whataboutery. Wow."

Whatever misrepresentation of what I said you want to repeat, if it makes you happy