Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

They are both toxic and in my opinion both are enjoying this trial as they're deluded enough to each think they're exposing the others much more abusive behaviour compared to their own milder actions.

Yep, completely agree - I've stopped reading the threads on here as they just reinforce that if you're not the perfect victim other women will happily tear you down. Even if none of what she says is true, the stuff that's come out of Depp's own mouth show that he's a vile piece of shit and certainly no 'southern gentleman'. Texts about fucking and burning her corpse, calling her a cum-guzzler, 50-cent stripper and flappy fish market, calling Vanessa Paradis a cunt. He obviously hates women.

I'm finding the whole thing quite terrifying; the level of misogyny and vitriol directed towards her is just unbelievable. It makes me scared.

@DaisyQuakeJohnson

It has literally been proven that Heard beat Depp (amongst other things), this whole narrative that Depp is continuing to abuse her in the courts is pretty pathetic and just reads like those saying it want people like Heard to be able to make a claim and have it unquestioned as slander (because that would be “abusing through the courts”)

I'm not sure who is allowed to post on this thread,op. You say it's only for certain people who believe Amber Heard but at the same time say all observations welcome. Is it not credible that people believe some of what she says and not other bits?

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

Why are people on this site forgetting that she was the one who wrote and article painting herself as a victim of abuse when in fact she was in a volatile relationship and was violent herself (which she left out the article).

If she hadn’t of done that none of this would have started and they both could have just walked away. Instead she tried to paint herself as a battered wife living in fear of her abusive husband - which was clearly not the case.

Long story short - this was nothing more than what used to be called a volatile relationship (re- mutually abusive) between two people with significant mental health problems (possibly more MH for Amber and more addiction for Johnny). But then because of the metoo stuff being big news at the time, Amber tried to piggy back on it and paint herself as being this poor downtrodden woman afraid of her violent husband, when she was in fact just as much or more violent.

Had she not done that they could have both walked away and none of this would have started. She started this whole tit for tat, in spite of people on here making out his lawsuit did. No, her article did, that came first and was unnecessary.

It’s good some secxual abuse is coming to light but in cases like this, it would be more appropriate to just take the old fashioned approach and write it off as a volatile relationship because your never going to get to the bottom of who did what and they will both just go on and on accusing the other - so just don’t even bother with them. The problem is that anyone gave Ambers bs the time of day in the first place.

Why are people on this site forgetting that she was the one who wrote and article painting herself as a victim of abuse when in fact she was in a volatile relationship and was violent herself (which she left out the article).
Oh here we go.
Read the article. She talks about sexual assaults at college and how girls grow to fear men. She talks about what is almost a universal experience for women.

It says a lot that he's making that article all about him.

Yes it’s very unsettling to be confronted with the level of misogyny surrounding us.

I think it is important to look out for Amber's mental health given all the hate she is getting. It does give me Caroline Flack/Jade Goody vibes and I think she is a risk for taking her own life sadly. Equally though, Johnny could have taken his own life after all the backlash he got because of her one-sided article and she essentially forced him to disclose all the grim stuff in their relationship to add context and prove he wasn't a wife beater and was abused by her. It's all very messy and regardless of the outcome there are no real winners.

@AdamRyan

We both know part of the article was about him. She tacked that part in to somehow give the rest of it more credence and set herself up as this big amberbassador for women. Well now we know she beats her husband, follows him around yelling at him and won’t let him alone to have any space.

How can anyone but those complete down an ideological rabbit hole seriously “stand with Amber” or whatever bs people post?
At best it was a volatile relationship - at worst she was more abusive.

I stand with Amberbecause 1) I think her article was about her perspective and didn't say anything defamatory; 2) I don't think there are any circumstances that justify what he did to her and others - he is abusive, he scares people when he's drunk and 3) he bought these cases so he's causing this.

There are so many responses he could have taken to that article but he chose to get this all aired in the courts.

Do people who "stand with Johnny" seriously think there are circumstances where its ok for men to scream in people's faces, smash things up and hit them?

Anyway this thread is just going as per the script.

There is nothing in the article about her being a downtrodden victim, that's nonsense. She also doesn't specify the type of abuse for those arguing that he didn't hit her. She says she 'became a public figure representing domestic abuse' and references the vested financial interests around 'a powerful man'.

In order to claim her article is lies you would have to believe that there was no abuse in their relationship, when all the evidence is that there was tons of it on both sides.

It's clear from the testimony of others that Depp has a violent temper (eg smashing up his own kitchen, assaulting people other than Amber) and that he sent really foul text messages, such as the one saying he wanted to drown Amber and burn her corpse. A recording of him shouting at Amber was played in court. I found my pulse racing just listening to it - it was terrifying. I can only imagine what it felt like for her.

He is also an immensely wealthy and powerful man, many years her senior.

People seem to be treating this as a criminal case, not a libel case. Amber Heard didn't choose to come to court to tell her story - Depp dragged her there.

She may not be the perfect victim. She may have shouted back and hit him back. She may not even be very likeable - I don't know. But none of that is particularly relevant. There is no doubt in my mind that Depp was abusive towards her, and the judge in the UK who heard all the evidence came to exactly the same conclusion.

I'm glad to see this thread, I'm at work and can't read it all yet, but I do believe her and I'm saying that as someone who always liked Johnny , I'm the same age as him and followed him from the early days and thought him a brilliant actor.

She initiated all of this when she issued a restraining order against him whilst demanding money and accomodation and the use of a car .

@RoyalCorgi

Hit him back? More like hit him first from her own account.

Well said royalcorgi

and I’m also a fan of depp as an actor

On the questioning point, in the U.K. you can’t ask questions merely to annoy, insult or humiliate a witness. But you do have to put your clients case across strongly, and in cross examination you will want to try to rattle the witness. The aqua man questions are fine. The smirk/ scoff when Amber says she got the role herself is a personal choice. It’s a little strange because amber hasn’t said anything that’s clearly outrageous. I get that it’s meant to signal her testimony isn’t to be believed, but it could backfire and not be well received by the jury. They are the ones who have to decide ambers credibility and may not appreciate the lawyer snorting at everything she says. On the other hand it’s theatrical and gets the point across. It’s a bit much , but nothing is unethical per se. Laughing at her testimony about sexual assault would probably get a telling off from the judge here and would no go down well with a jury.

Yes, this.
As someone who's been an abusive relationship, people have no idea how terrifying it is being stuck in a room with a clearly unhinged man who's punching walls, hitting himself, kicking furniture etc.

Also, I hate the comments people make about how Amber obviously wasn't scared because she was nasty to Johnny, name calling, goading him etc .. But this is nonsense. There isn't one way for an abused person to behave.
I definitely did on occasion shout back, I did - when I felt like I had nothing to lose and wished I was dead - scream and call him all the names under the sun. I was traumatised, scared and I hated him, but it was still abuse.

The way i look at is - peter and the wolf

she has now been proven to lie on several occasions and has accused her lawyers of withholding evidence and all the professionals are apparently liars as well .

Her evidence is contradictory and does not agree with witnesses .

So even if some of it is true she has now tainted the whole thing and and if what she says is true JD would be in jail for life .

That is why she is getting a hard time .

JD has not denied his behaviour so he may still loose and that is up to the jury .

plus that make up kit was held up as the actual brand she used . She then backtracked when she found out that it could not have been .

She herself was the one who said in cross examination that she was NOT scared of him - why should she be ?

That contracted what she said in the days previously .

But she was the one who chose to put ALL of this in the public eye in the most litigious country in the world .

She was the one who took out the RO she was the one who wrote the article which she has admitted was about him .

So if you were accused of GBH and rape on several occasions and it was not true but all your children and family saw it in the press what would you do ?