Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Wow. I keep getting amazed with abuser apologists(and I am not trying to focus on one poster only as there were plenty). I don't know what in your life fueled so much hatred toward women to be able to repeat demoralising and gaslighting statements that don't even benefit you personally in any way, but nothing exists in vaccum. Both on grand and small scale, Depp has perfect abuser behaviour. All of his behaviours, with or without AH's responses or at times"initiations", make him an abuser. As if it isn't bad enough there are so many abusive men out there, there are also plethora of people convincing you nothing is happening to you while you are literally living through it.

I think after the jury verdict I'll go back offline for my own sanity-and I warmly reccomened this to any other woman in current situation with abuser or whoever feels the need to, to do the same. I personally try to surround myself with books that affirm my experience and journal, as I realised no amount of online sharing or debates ever produce anything meaningful. Still I'm glad that some of us showed up here and gave chance to other women to read that not everyone is against Amber, or what could be them. I encourage to share your opinions because the apologists are certainly outnumbering us.

But if someone does blatantly lie , for what ever reason , which she did on several occasions , how on earth do you extract the truth . That is what she was saying .

she contradicted herself so many times .

And if one on the lies was to accuse him of rape then she deserves to lose.

But because it is defamation and In the USA it won’t be that straight forward .

*But if someone does blatantly lie , for what ever reason , which she did on several occasions , how on earth do you extract the truth . That is what she was saying .

she contradicted herself so many times .

And if one on the lies was to accuse him of rape then she deserves to lose.

But because it is defamation and In the USA it won’t be that straight forward .*

If you apply that logic to AH you must apply it to JD. He was caught lying too. So if that is the case we are to believe absolutely nothing either of them said. I don't think it's that black and white. I think there are elements which AH said which were true but she's made of near impossible to know what they are.

That's not what I am saying.

The audiotapes and texts show he was abusive. Name calling like that is abusive. Texts and emails showing his controlling behaviour is abusive- . Audiotape where he says it gets physical on both sides, admitting he head butted her but didn't break her nose is abusive. Admitting he kicked her on the plane is abusive.

Now I have read the definition of the domestic violence the jury need to use. I admit before I was thinking only of physical violence but the other stuff comes under the definition too.

Well you do need to prove things to a reasonably high standard if you want to convict someone or publish to the world their wrongdoing.
In this case the onus is on him to prove she lied. So it's not the same level of proof as if he was being tried for abuse.
Surprised you don't know that if you are following the trial.

@Leopolds
No, him being a liar is extremely relevant if his word cannot be trusted and he can be shown to have lied repeatedly on the stand and elsewhere. I think Amber’s lawyers have shown him to be a habitual liar given the evidence against him and the wild nature of some of his claims as well as lots of witness testimony. The fact that he lies so much might be enough to get the jury on Amber’s side.

There, fixed it for you 👍🏾

Has he been proven to be a liar over six or seven things? I mean not just by her friends, but actually independent witnesses. Like Candie Goldbronn of the children's hospital, Walter Hamada of Warner Brothers, Morgan Night of Hickville trailers, Morgan Tremaine ex employee of TMZ. None of these are friends of of Johnny Depp. Even Whitney Henriques contradicted Amber Heard's story. And she wasn't even Depp's witness.

repeat demoralising and gaslighting statements that don't even benefit you personally in any way

agree, i see many gaslighting statements here.
that don't even benefit you personally in any way i dont know about that one, cant be sure.

@bluebell34567 I genuinely feel curious how it might benefit them, it puzzles me

me, too.

and i wish she keeps her money, not in a position to give to charities now she has a child. i wouldnt blame her.

Well, I'd say the hand surgeon showed his version of how he severed his finger isn't consistent with the injury.
The forensic expert testified there was no evidence Amber had doctored the photos in evidence so that could also be a lie he told.
He says he's a chivalrous Southern gentleman and then calls women counts.
And his testimony in the UK trial contradicts his US evidence.

So yeah, he's at best unreliable and at worst a liar

@AdamRyan re calling himself”a Southern gentleman”…that was really odd. It’s like it doesn’t even matter what he says, everyone else makes effort to excuse him. It started with gentleman and ended with Camille saying he has”dark sense of humour/you and I probably don’t talk like this but”. Not that Southern gentleman’s aren’t misogynistic but I still don’t understand if he was making a joke or honestly believes he’s in any way courteous or polite

But those are her paid witnesses. Just like Depp's doctor and photo forensic witnesses. I'm quoting people that are contradicting Amber Heard and they're not paid witnesses.

I understand that you might never have written an email in anger or joking with a friend, but I know I've written stuff that I'd hate to see daylight. And when my sister and I get giddy, we often go too far in our texts. Funny at the time, maybe the next day too near to the knuckle. I never use the word cunt, even my autocorrect doesn't like it 😉, but I've read threads on here where people say it's not that bad a word and is general use round where they live. So who knows what his experience is or why he uses the word.

It might be at best he's only unreliable, but we know at best she's serial liar.

And I hate saying this because I really feel awful for both of them. This is their lives and their future and how people see them. It's very possible they both believe they're telling the truth. I hope they both win and there can be an order they can never talk about it again. Unfortunately, that won't happen.

Counts like Dracula you mean

are you being snide or are you honestly confused?

i mean I’m fairly positive i know which one but its nice to know for deffo

I would have characterised it as being mildly humorous

nah

it comes over as picking someone up for their mistype

im sure adam is quite happy to type cunt…even with your again snide (apologies mildly amusing) refined gentleman and terrible blow comment

i do like to be fair though so the hulk comment is funny…obviously it could refer to both of them 🤔

It was the prudish autocorrect on my phone obviously!
Although personally I don't like using the word cunt as an insult due to the inherent misogyny
I prefer trombone

Another expert said it was obvious she had meddled with the photos. And him or his team suspecting she edited the photos isn't a lie, it's a belief.

Exactly. A belief with no evidence.
When Amber does that, it's "proof" she's lying (the Kate Moss rumour)
When Johnny does that its reasonable. Biased.

Also, just to nitpick, Depps expert said it had been in the iPhone standard editing suite and there were different file sizes. So the file had been altered, not the image. He refused to give an opinion on whether or not this was intentional.

If there was any evidence the images were altered I'm 100% sure Depps team would have presented it.

The more I read this thread, the more I wonder why, when there are so many other threads to discuss 'Amber the liar', some people just insist on coming on a feminist board to basically troll those who try to talk about the case from a feminist perspective? Is there anywhere we can avoid misogyny (internalised or otherwise)?

I post regularly on here. I've been very critical of Heard. I think they are both awful people. I think she's a liar. The correct decision in law would be that both lose/ or both win , depending on how you look at it- namely they both behaved appalling so neither has defamed the other.

I assume "feminist perspective" means "please agree that either Amber did nothing wrong or if she did it's not her fault"