Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

behaved appallingly...

The behaviour of some posters on the Internet does come across as a paid coordinated campaign. I think this case appeals to a lot of different agendas and so I take a lot of the more "scripted" replies with a pinch of salt.

A feminist perspective means, for example, looking at the broader implications this type of a case has on our perceptions of domestic violence, the minimisation of the bad behaviour of men and amplification of the similar behaviour of women, and the viewpoint that sexual assault needs to be evidenced and preferably witnessed in order to be believed and all this during the times when women's rights are being rolled back.

depending on how you look at it- namely they both behaved appalling so neither has defamed the other.
Legally whether or not they behaved appallingly is irrelevant to whether one or both have defamed the other.

I don't know why having problems with her claims makes someone a troll, particularly given the amount of evidence which shows her in a very poor light.
That's not what makes someone a troll. If indeed they were a troll.

Personally I don't think anyone is trolling, I do think that people with various agendas often like arguing with feminists for reasons that are beyond me.

I like a good debate but double standards, supposition presented as fact, beliefs presented as "lies and perjury" are all not part of that debate.

I basically only post to remind anyone reading who has been a victim of DA that not everyone thinks "slamming doors in a rage" is acceptable. Or that if you aren't bruised, you weren't hit. Or that if you exaggerate some things, you must be lying about everything. Etc etc.

For what it's worth, I don't think Amber is wonderful, I am most definitely not in her fan club, but having listened to her speaking about being sexually assaulted, I was horrified at the thought that some people perceive that as a joke, whether she tells the truth or not. The subject should not be joked about and the fact that it was - shows that somehow it is still being minimised. We can disagree and call out untruths without mocking.

Women are being assaulted in huge numbers, young girls are accepting it as practically the norm at school and having TikTok videos laughing at Amber's facial expressions are not helping the cause. Whatever Amber did or did not do, the reaction is a huge reflection of the processes going on in our society.

AdamRyan · Today 11:44

depending on how you look at it- namely they both behaved appalling so neither has defamed the other.
Legally whether or not they behaved appallingly is irrelevant to whether one or both have defamed the other

Er no it isn't. He claims he didn't abuse her so is defaming him. She claims she didn't abuse him. On the evidence they both seem to enjoy being awful to the other.

they will say they can post anywhere they like and then 'thank you'.

yes, many look 'scripted' and to me empty.

true.

Again the photo verification stuff. The comparison JDs expert shown was slight alteration in brightness of picture, which she or someone else may have done to make the picture clearer(because the bruises don't look worse in any of"altered"pictures)or it wasn't even intentional as when you change size of picture you change the quality at least to some degree and with that possibly the image itself. As someone just said, you change the file as soon as you send it or it changes original location/source, especially if it gets compressed via email.

Also what I found laughable about JDs expert was that he knew this and intentionally misled jury because he knows that most people don't get this stuff and that when he says"see the letters and numbers that show file are not the same it means it's changed"he didn't lie but he focused on basically irrelevant thing that is not suspicious in normal circumstances. He also had massive fail with the"it says it has been in photo editor"when that's default Apple app that opens when you want to view the pictures or whatever. I'm in no way tech savy but for people to not get this is beyond me. Most of what JD team done during whole trial was deceptive in this way or another.

Has everyone seen the jury instructions? The statements that Depp is sueing Heard for are as follows: 1) "I spoke up against sexual violence...and faced our culture's wrath. That has to change." 2) "Two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and felt the full force of our culture's wrath for women who speak out." 3) "I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse."

The jury has to decide if these statements are about Depp, if they are defamatory, if they are false, and if Heard published them knowing they were false.

To be honest, this makes Depp's case even flimsier. They all seem straightforwardly true. Heard did speak up about sexual violence and she did face our culture's wrath.In fact this entire trial process has been a demonstration of the wrath she has faced since opening her mouth. She is public enemy number one. She did become a public figure for domestic abuse. I fail to see how three is defamatory as even if it applies to Depp, it says he was 'accused' of abuse. This is true. She did accuse him of abuse.

Even if Heard is a liar, is it really disputable she lied about THESE issues? She DID speak up, she DID face the culture's wrath, she DID become a public figure.

Whether or not it has been intentionally"altered"is so insignificant in this whole thing because it did not change the pictures in any significant way. I was genuinely confused when JDs lawyers acted like"aha I got you now"and then show basically THE SAME pictures one next to another, neither with bruising looking worse. I was like wow they really got nothing

@WeeBisom I feel that the jury must be tripping now. When you question something for long enough you might start to get convinced otherwise. If public was relatively easily swayed to JDs side, I am not too hopeful about the jury, they might do some mental gymnastics where they oversee all the evidence pointing to what you said as well. I am actually anxious about their verdict despite this being pretty much clear cut case(in my eyes)

And how Camille emphasizes"KaTe MoSs caMe, kAte mOsS eveRyoNe"😂meanwhile Depp sitting there looking like pimp, thinking"wow I might start believing I'm innoccent too"

I was just thinking, she says he apologised not for hitting AH but because he was leaving her. Could have been both. All I know is that a) he, like a lot of abusers, constantly kept threatening of leaving and breaking up but never would and b) I myself have waited for my abuser to say(again)we are breaking up so I could say fine, we finally agree and then you see that it's exactly what they didn't want. She probably went like ok it's over that's fine, I'll make sure it's over and he doesn't come back so I'll go get my restraining order. Instead Vasquez made it seem like she did it for publicity 😏

^I was going to write that Elaine face expressions are precious in this one 😂this isn't a soap or laughing matter but some things are so ridicilous that you can't but laugh

They all seem straightforwardly true. Heard did speak up about sexual violence and she did face our culture's wrath.

I don't think it's difficult for anyone to conclude there was abuse within the marriage. So I think the key issue is sexual violence. It's not that she spoke against it, it's the implication that Johnny Depp had committed sexual violence against her. If the jury believes there was no sexual abuse so she lied about it, is it a big leap that she must have done it maliciously?

I take that point, about the implication he sexually abused her. I suppose the big worry I have is with men increasingly suing women for defamation for speaking up about sexual violence. It’s very difficult to prove that sexual assault happened - it tends to be private. I’m concerned that women, who already don’t get justice in the criminal courts, are robbed of even speaking about their experiences.

“Domestic abuse” doesn’t necessarily extend to violence, though. In my view, Depp screaming at her, calling her a cunt, throwing things, slamming cupboards etc is abusive behaviour. I simply wanted to point out that what Depp has taken issue with is far less inflammatory than the Sun calling him a “wife beater” (which he was found to be).

But hes suing her for defamation because he didnt.

Amber has accused him of raping her with a bottle.

I dont understand tbe argument about sticking to the threads discussing Amber's lies and leaving this untouched.

An endless echo chamber of 'feminism'(which is actually the opposite of feminism as it defends Amber purely on tbe basis that shes a woman) does not change the facts of the case.

Johnny has equally as many videos circulating of him, as do tbe lawyers.