Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

Even if she exaggerated, it would be beside the point. I hate that I even went there to comment on that but here we are-JD accomplished his goal and made everyone from all sides doubt her more than they should. I pretty much hate him for that, too

JD is a narcissist and a junkie and he’s surrounded by yes men. He has no concept of the reality the rest of us live in.

He’s been helped greatly with a successful smear campaign and thousands of bots spreading his lies. Not to mention his unhinged fans who are happy to do it for free.

At this point there’s nothing he could do that would make his supporters change their minds about him. It might take some time but I think the truth about him will come out in the end.

Me too.
Basically I think he's done the ultimate DARVO on her and it can't be proved :(

She literally just admitted to writing the op-ed to get back at him the entire trial was her denying it and she admitted it today on the stand just what was the point? She lied denied and then admitted it? There is something really wrong with her

"I know how many people will come out and say whatever for him," Ms Heard said in court on Thursday. "That's his power. That's why I wrote the op-ed. I was speaking to that phenomenon."

Nowhere did she say she wrote the Op Ed to get back at him.

Also we all know she wrote it so I don’t see how her admitting to writing it means anything.

Yes, the ultimate DARVO-and I hope this trial becomes an example of it in public eye. Also her article along with case might age well; I think I said it before but if nothing her saying that he proved her point of article by acting the way he did in trials and all definitely gave me some satisfaction. We are not crazy, we see it. It still feels fairly novel to hear a man being called out like that in court

I feel so sorry for AH and what she’s been put through but my goodness what a strong woman she is.

i agree. and i hope she recovers well and enjoy her baby.

Oh also this”they were just a bad fit, such a shame they really loved each other”narrative...just no. Abusive men do not experience love in the way women dream about. It is never reciprocal, honest, loyal or respectful. A man who can have violent or degrading sexual fantasies about his partner or other women or even worse act on those can never, ever”love”her. I wish there was more written on that on this occasion as it’s exactly what keeps us bound to abusers for way longer than we ever wanted in retrospect, once reality hits. This guy, like all the other abusers, doesn’t see women as people worthy of respect. They weren’t just”a bad fit”-he will do that to any woman he’s with no matter what she does. And I’m equally bothered with presenting men like these as”lost, broken boys”, it rids them of a good chunk of responsibility. Being an abuser is a bit like being an addict-you have to come to terms you’ll have to keep yourself accountable for the rest of your life and work hard not to slip back in old patterns. They should never get excused by everyone just saying he wasn’t a good fit with the women they were abusing and”he’s just like that”. These men simply don’t want help or to change because they can live comfortable privileged life just the way they are, knowing there will always be a woman who’ll excuse him and who’s unfortunately unimportant enough to our society that he can do with her as he pleases without any consequences

Also(sorry for the rant, ironically the only adult I could actually talk to in real life is my abuser himself hence the endlessness on MN)I saw a picture of her with Rocky back few years ago after restraining order today and thought to myself”Gosh AH looks so petite and skinny..I can’t believe people actually thought JD was scared of her”, especially since cameras make you ridiculously bigger than in real life. I only realised this after they caught me on TV once-I was amazed how huge I appeared as I’m pretty small myself. There was another occasion where I saw someone from TV live and the same thing; they appeared so tiny compared to TV I was just shocked. I can only imagine how small AH looks like in real life, probably small enough that people would feel embarrassed they ever thought of her as capable of serious harm to JD

If Mr Hollywood Power Harvey Weinstein couldn't rally people to his defence against accusations of violating women I'm not sure how a "washed-up" Johnny Depp is managing it. Yet apparently every witness is a liar signed up for the Johnny show and a share of his money or his attention. And the more of them there are, the more it proves how powerful and manipulative he is. And we know what powerful and manipulative men do to women. Some people are so welded to the ideology it's like a religion and there's nothing that can't be twisted back to fit the narrative. Much needs to be done to change the attitudes of men and society generally as regards violence towards women. Trying to use this particular trial to push that along will only prove counter productive.

Weinstein was so dead obvious but he was basically blackmailing people with his ties so no one bothered-it was also the standard Hollywood practice for women everyone was expecting when trying to get hired. JD also acts in expecting ways for a Hollywood star-wasting money, ridiculous drug consumption, more likely than not abusing women in prostitution through years in”low key”manner…the thing with JD is that he has been bonding with people similar to him, tried to push himself as likeable A LOT and also bonded over drug and alcohol among other things(and I noticed these people tend to cover each other a bit more than the usual boy’s club). If he was abusive to his partners that was just considered part of his extravaganza behaviour. As he said he’s an”old school gentleman”-he thought his abuse would stay behind closed doors and that everyone will overlook it. He partially succeeded because that’s exactly how people reacted to it-from his bodyguards, employees, friends and family to every random Joe out there. ”What is there to complain about? It’s nothing out of ordinary, it is not even that bad as the rest of women have it. This was just’a normal’relationship blown out of proportion because they’re rich”. It irritates women because Amber seems privileged compared to what they have to put up with and it irritates men that she’s trying to disturb the status quo that very much suits them

I don’t know why was Camille saying”Kate Moss coming out of woodwork?”as if that’s such a ridiculous thing to say. She did kinda come out of woodwork, I can’t remember last time I saw her with him or even mentioned related to JD. Then Courtney Love coming up in media with her”Johnny saved my life”story…it’s as weird as alpacas(I still haven’t read what the hell was that about)and Elon Musk freezing fertilised eggs with women he dates for few months.

*eggs for in vitro I mean or whatever, not fertilised

Admittedly I have no idea on who is meant to be suing who here but:
I think he is a lying, violent, unbalanced bastard.
I think she is a lying, violent, unbalanced bitch.
I believe he abused her unprovoked for jollies.
I believe she abused him unprovoked for jollies.
I believe they are two peas in a pod and that’s how it’s ended up as it has.
No idea how/why it’s in court. They are both who they are, it’s pretty plain.

Or his goal is what he said it was to clear is name. He obviously doesn't see himself as a wife beater. He wanted to restore his reputation against that claim. He out a lot at stake to do that. Would you put that at stake if you 100% didn't believe it? By doing that he opened up so much of the rest of his life and so many terrible things came out about him.

I think he really does think she was a gold digger who set up a gone girl plot against him. I think he thinks she had it planned from the beginning. Hw very much sees himself as the victim and I don't think he can acknowledge anything else.

Jeez! Clearly most of you are not watching the trial , she’s lied about so many things , she’s a nasty manipulative liar, sooooooo obvious ! How can any of you believe her? Or is it just because she’s a woman??

Whatever.

People believed and supported Chris Brown when he beat up Rihanna, people believe and support Amber no matter what she does. There are always going to be staunch or fan type supporters no matter how someone acts or what they do. Some people don't even consider the evidence, their own personal perspective and feelings is all they use for the foundation of their support. There is also a thin pink line attitude on here of women must support women no matter what and cover up wrongdoing. And others who have outright said that men can't be victims. Some are also probably abusers themselves and don't want to confront their own lies and behaviours.

Sorry to read this Macfeminista how come you don't have anyone else to talk to?

I'm starting to find all the randoms quite triggering myself. Just read a post on another thread about "victims don't relive their trauma as it retraumatises them". Absolute bollocks and I wish I could stop reliving trauma

I also am fed up of reading "Amber lied" when it's clearly different perspectives. When two people say different things, it doesn't mean one's a liar and one's telling the truth. It's like people have lost touch with nuance and everything is black and white.

I really hope that there are a lot of bots and paid posters posting about this on various platforms otherwise I fear for humanity 🙁

I think exactly the same can be said of JD. He has also lied and I would say many of his messages and things said in the recordings are very nasty. You could also say he's manipulative too. A meeting with The Mail and his attorney, that email trying to get AH fired from her film. The controlling texts. I personally thing he is behind much of smear campaign against her.

i dont understand them either.

agree hundred percent.

agree. when they got married he said he can punch her as he likes, nobody cant say anything because they are married. who says that?

true and i am sorry as well Macfeminista that you dont have anyone else to talk to.

Not a single one of you is actually watching the trial, are you???