Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

What Kate Moss said doesn't mean Whitney was lying when she said Depp hit her (Whitney) on the stairs
Whitney and Amberboth said they heard a rumour Johnny pushed Kate, Kate said it was a rumour
It doesn't mean anyone lied.

Camille did her best to get a rise out of Amber but she managed to stay composed and get her points across. Compare Amber’s quick answers to Johnny’s waffling yesterday. It’s so clear to me who is telling the truth. Amber was sure of her answers. Johnny took an age to answer anything because he was trying so hard not to incriminate himself.

I really hope JD loses this. He deserves to lose this. I feel so sorry for AH and what she’s been put through but my goodness what a strong woman she is.

I agree inkworks. There was a moment where Camille snaps back"I didn't ask you anything"when Amber says sorry I thought you wanted me to answer that and you can see Whitney at the back having a WTF face expression. I don't think Camille managed to do much damage with her snarky way-I still find her style very, very odd. It looks like typical internalised misogyny infighting between women, not something I would try as to somehow provoke witness in detached way(because, at the end of the day it is not personal). I'm almost certain she bought into dr Currys analysis and tried to provoke AH on basis of her"studying BPD personalities as her lawyer assignment"or whatever 🙄

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8D3wR7MVgc95DWJogoFAMDfD6BK-mJ7J

In the clip above it seems Rottenborn might have made a mistake about"I want I take/mackerel"texts that were read in court yesterday after"Global humiliation"as it says those were incoming?...either way I found it ridicilous for JD to say that was"too grotesque"for him to write. Really dude, after"raping corpse joke"(I don't care about Pyton, it's not funny whoever thinks this get over it)??

"incoming text clip"

It's nothing to do with the fact she's a woman. It really isn't. It's te fact shes' just so bloody....fake!

Not necessarily. Being sure of your answers suggests rehearsal. Waffling suggests answering truthfully.

For an example "I thought of Kate Moss, and the stairs" a quick, abrupt answer, that actually is a total lie.

It doesn’t suggest rehearsal when you have to think on the spot, with lawyers trying to trip you up. Amber knows the truth and she’s sticking to it so it’s easy for her to answer.

@Miscfeminista The texts say “incoming” because they were taken from the phone of the person JD was texting.

@inkworks273 that is confusing because the Law&Crime network said it was taken directly from their site and that Depp's messages were all from his phone, showing that"Global humiliation"was outgoing(as in he was sending it)while those others were incoming. Who mixed it up then 🤔

How do you know it's a lie? How can you assume to know what's shes thinking.

If you watch other days that's just the way he talks. You can hear it on the recordings. You can hear she is quite quick witted and has a quick reply . That's her style-again you can hear that in the recordings. I don't think it tells us anything.

Plus in her first testimony I thought it sounded very rehearsed. Elaine really prompted her

There is no proof he hit her though, is there? And there is proof that she hit him (the recorded phone call).

"How do you know it's a lie? How can you assume to know what's shes thinking."

Kate Moss testified that it's a lie. What would she have to gain by lying in court?

Because Kate Moss has testified that the incident Amber is alleging to didn't happen.

No, it's the opposite.

Amber isn't thinking on the spot, because she's rehearsed! Johnny is, hence the 'waffling;.

Because Kate Moss has testified that the incident Amber is alleging to didn't happen.

What? No she didn't. I didn't realise KM was there at the stairs incident! (Joke)

She testified JD never pushed her down the stairs. This has absolutely no relation to AHs story about the top of the stairs. Was KM there? I don't think so. It does not prove that the allegations about the stairs incident didn't happen just because KM said she wasn't pushed 20 years ago! What a crazy thing to think.

What does prove it's a lie or extremely unlike is
It's unlikely he could punch someone and trash the room with one hand in a cast. The doctor said he wouldn't be able to make a fist.
Witney- who was there and discussed the incident with others. Her friend Jennifer says Witney told her and several others at the time what it was AH who tried to push JD down the stairs.

I think this is much more reliable evidence than KM saying he didn't push her 20 years ago. That doesn't mean he couldn't have pushed AH.

No- she testified he didn't push her down the stairs 20 years ago. That doesn't mean he didn't push AH or that she didn't think of that rumour at the time.

There is no proof he hit her though, is there? And there is proof that she hit him (the recorded phone call).

Sorry- are we watching the same trial? There is a text from JDs assistant confirming he kicked AH. There is a recording that he says he headbutts her. Friends saw bruises.

Do those who are in favour of AH have a slight feeling that there's a chance she's lying? Just wondering because, although I would NEVER laugh at her or be cruel about the scenario, I lean towards believing JD, but at the same time have an open mind that I could be wrong as we have no clue who is telling the truth, wondering if those who believe her, fully believe her with no doubt at all?

I believe elements of what she says. I think he was a drunk addict who was verbally abusive and very hard to live with. I believe he has temper rages and smashed things up. I believe he was controlling and had blackouts and was a monster during those times and likely can't remember his actions.

I believe the relationship was toxic and there was abuse on both sides. I do believe he was physically abusive to her but not to the extent she says. I am not sure about the sexual abuse.

I don’t think there’s anyone left who doesn’t doubt AH to some degree anymore; mostly because JD successfully trashed her but also because some things don’t add up. She appears to have used cocaine for longer than she said and she or someone from her side might have tipped TMZ at one point(which I’m mostly unclear about generally but whatever)but I still believe she was abused. I feel like it’s almost expected you’ll have to skew some things in court in order to present the case better, I don’t feel she lied about these to get away with something or to completely misrepresent things as JD who denies any abusive behaviour. I believe she wants to put this behind and stop being gaslighted about enduring abuse from JD

Ok that's interesting and refreshing to hear that we are not all believing one way totally with tunnel vision

I believe her. She has years of documented evidence. Evidence which we’d never have heard about if he hadn’t dragged her to court. The only thing that was really public knowledge before the UK court case was that she had filed a restraining order against him for being violent. Everything AH has said about JD since then has been in reply to him dragging her into court cases.

Read the Rolling Stone article that came out in 2018. JD ruined his career all on his own.

www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/

Do I think she's entirely lying and he was never abusive to her? No. I think he hit her based on the evidence
Do I think he was sexually abusive? Probably, based on how he talks about women in his texts.
Do I think she's exaggerated? Maybe but the evidence has been about him so hard to say.