Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

mummyrocks1 · Today 11:44

"As did JD , he's been found to be lying too. I am a southern gentleman- nope."

I don't think there's a set definition for being a Southern gentleman

"AH ruined my career- nope."

That is a matter of opinion, not of lies. It hardly helped his career when she made her allegations. It certainly led to him being dropped from the Fantastic Beasts franchise and almost certainly led to him being dropped by Disney. He's hardly the first difficult star and there is no Pirates without him. He is the franchise.

"AH cut my finger off- nope."

Your evidence that she didn't? She's on tape saying she didn't mean to hurt him when the doctor and nurse arrived on the scene

"I am not a monster/don't have black outs- nope."

Again, evidence that he is a monster, other than the word of Heard?

JD is also on tape being abusive and admitting violence along with other texts from others saying he was violent, a monster.

Monster was the word he used to describe his addictions and he's on tape calling her names in a mutual mud slinging episode. There's no evidence of him hitting her.

"JD also has a history of violence."

Not against women. He's broken things and got into a fight with a paparazzi and had a few bar fights when he was younger.

"All of this- except the dogs as I don't know the ins and outs of that. Can apply to both. Why is it one rule for JD and one for AH?"

There isn't. If I saw strong evidence of mutual abuse I would call it mutual abuse. I can believe he was hell to live with at times. He was obviously spinning out of control with drink and drugs (made much worse by being married to Heard of course) and has a jealous streak. He's no angel but other than calling her names and banging a few doors I see no strong evidence of him hitting her

"Also- I find it strange that she can't possibly have been abused because she is a liar and was a abuser. Can't she be all of those things? I believe she can lie, can be an abuser but also can be abused too. One does not make the other impossible. They are not mutually exclusive."

Absolutely. It could be mutual. The problem is the evidence of her abuse behaviour is stronger than his and she is obviously lying about her injuries among other things. That means it's hard to believe anything she says without strong, independent eye witnesses, which she doesn't have

Missatan thank you for for pointing out that men are more violent(more suicides and murders, as well as being murdered by OTHER MEN)and that even tho they do not take care of children(hence high number of maltreatment from women who are the only ones taking care of them), they still find a way to sexually and otherwise abuse them.

”Instigating”is a new word for”she asked for it”. You can’t”instigate domestic violence in mutually abusive relationship”. Do you see what you are writing?

And domestic violence entails a lot more behaviours than you are willing to acknowledge so I don’t know why are you even trying to argue about it. It is also about control, all of the abusive behaviours are to corner you and not act outside of frames that abuser imposes on you-not because they are a drunk and a drug addict, not because they have”mommy issues”, not because they feel scared, not because they were acting in self defence-it is to make you do what the abuser wants you to do. Their way or no way. Their way or you pay until you don’t dare try again.

Incels are antisocial, think that they’re entitled to women’s bodies by some pathetic outdated biological claims that in the jungle every monkey gets a mate or whatever and willing to do harm out of imaginary/perceived wrongs done to them. They are pro-pedo and think of women as subhumans.

Feminists are trying to regain lost rights or fight for basic human rights we are entitled to like right to abortion, right to safe spaces and right for our bodily autonomy etc. After history of violence against women, feminists still don’t think men are subhuman or”born abusers”.

You can reply but I don’t think I will be replying to you anymore because you fulfilled basic criteria for trolling

@AdamRyan where was that about Courtney Love mentioned? I have a bit left from yesterday to watch, didn’t hear that or missed it

Think I got confused - I was reading the independent live and thought she was a rebuttal witness
But it looks like she just posted an insta
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/johnny-depp-courtney-love-amber-heard-trial-b2084999.html%3famp

You can reply but I don’t think I will be replying to you anymore
I find this a good strategy

@AdamRyan “Johnny– when I was on crack and Frances was having to suffer through that with social workers – wrote her a four-page letter that she’s never showed me on her 13th birthday. He didn’t really know me."

Wtf. Speechless. I have soft spot for Courtney but she's not right here

AdamRyan · Today 13:58

"You can reply but I don’t think I will be replying to you anymore""

"I find this a good strategy"

I bet you do.

It's so much easier to pretend to be above it all rather than defend a difficult position.

It honestly doesn’t surprise me that even on a feminist board we can’t avoid MRA talking points and accusations of misandry.

@WeeBisom sad. It's easier to confuse other women than to deal with sea of rape and misogyny as well as other injustices done on baily dasis to us.

Glad the judge didn't allow for Ambers counter thingy to be dismissed

Glad the judge didn't allow for Ambers counter thingy to be dismissed
Me too. That would have been very unfair

Meanwhile...poop costume woman(must be AH's fan 🙄)

Short article but to the point.

www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-is-not-as-complicated-as-you-may-think

So Jennifer Howells didn't testify that Whitney was scared of amber or that Amber beat her up 🤔
It's almost like the Internet is full of shit

@AdamRyan 😂

On the other hand Amber wouldn't have had to sot through her film career and achievements being trashed. And I don't know how Hamada being forced to testify, when he went to court to prevent having to testify, will be helpful for her appearing in Aquaman 3. If she wins, though, hopefully Warner Brothers will forgive and and not recast her.
I really felt for her today.

Wrong . The testimony allowed the judge and the jury to read the mentioned email / letter and deposition. It’s all over Twitter

she confirmed that Whitney told her on the day that amber had cut off his finger . Jennifer also confirmed about the staircase fight that it was amber tried to push Johnny down the stairs

she also confirmed that Whitney was scared of Amber that’s why she left the penthouse to live with her .

it’s all out there . And now the jury can read that Whitney was telling lies under oath.

considering Jennifer Howell had received a lot of threats about testifying she is one brave woman .

Part one of what jury will have seen

Another part

@Unsure33 Is that right, though? That letter, which is much longer than that, has been all over twitter for a week. How do you know its been submitted? I know a laptop full of photos, videos and written evidence is going to be given to the jury when the go for deliberation, are you thinking it will be included in that? Has that been confirmed?

I have a hunch that this Jennifer witness simply read too much into what she was told by AH sister and much like people online made the stuff she heard align with what she was already thinking. I haven’t reached her testimony yet but I read the texts and emails yesterday. Her”goodwill”and”I just want to protect you”is a bit suspicious to me-doesn’t appear as intentional malice but we all had that one person who thought they were saving us from something they simply didn’t agree with. Is it not being able to see differently or something else I don’t know but I’m wary of people doing things for others knowing that the other person may not want them to. The”she cut his finger”comment might have been after Depp called her and claimed that, not AH. AH said she didn’t tell her sister about abuse until later into her relationship with JD and her sister might have got along more with JD up to that point and said the comments against her sister while in that kind of state of mind. I think it took some time for sister to realise what’s really going on

Yeah I’ve just seen Jennifer’s very short testimony and I’m getting strange vibes. I have an inkling she had a big dislike for AH since she met her and later felt like justice warrior when she found out dirt about her. I’m not feeling this”I’m doing what’s right for you against your will my friend”thing. I don’t believe in it, it feels like she meddled in their business too much(as a friend crossing family lines)and kinda had to finish it how she started for her own weird satisfaction when it went too far. They aren’t even friends anymore so this to me looks like another Depp fan(“I have to save this poor man!”). So twisted.

So in the letter this all came out when she talked to Waldman 🤔and Whitney didn't reply. Plus she said none of it under oath. I'm sure she would have, if she knew it was the truth.

I would bet Whitney tried to explain the situation to her but she didn’t budge hence why Whitney didn’t reply anymore

These people are a bit much..alpacas, poop costume..what next