Amber Heard&Johnny Depp trial

[Miscfeminista]

I wanted to hear more thoughts from women who actually don't accuse Amber for being"a faker". I don't want to tip toe around it or argue with people over same thing over and over while they pretend they are unbiased when in fact they just support Depp.

A lot has already been said and I know you need to have diverse opinions for better conversation etc but on the other thread I am, I'm so tired of people victim blaming and chewing over stuff with little substance so I wanted to make a separate one where we can follow the rest of the trial and outcome with our comments and observations(without constantly arguing about feminist basics).

My last thought was that AH witnesses have been consistent so far and have been wondering if they pulled away from her because they didn't want the drama surrounding it(instead of actually finding her guilty, like Depp fans are suggesting).

I'm following it over Sky over ones with commentary(every day around 1-2 afternoon UK time, 9 in the morning US time I believe..trial ends next week, think someone said 27th)

All observations welcome. What stood out to you so far?

I think I blame all those disturbing pictures of models with painted dark bruising and sensationalised portrayal in movies for people actually minimising domestic violence-anything less than a quiet, brutally beaten woman is not a victim(but on the other hand, man being shouted at by his partner after he didn’t even pick up a sock in the house, who also has a say on all the money decisions is being”emotionally abused”). Even the name is misleading as majority of perpetrators are men therefore it’s male violence(men who report being abused are mostly also abused by other men)and then we have some people who don’t even know what domestic violence even means anymore because hey, supposedly we are equal now so it’s fair if a man hits his partner if she hit him too-mutual abuse don’t ya know? Doesn’t matter that statistically she’s the one to actually end up seriously injured, raped or murdered. Equality: we asked for it

Miscfeminista · Today 01:00

"anything less than a quiet, brutally beaten woman is not a victim(but on the other hand, man being shouted at by his partner after he didn’t even pick up a sock in the house, who also has a say on all the money decisions is being”emotionally abused”)."

Nonsense. And in what world do men control most of the money decisions? The reality is most spending decisions are made by women. Are you that divorced from reality not to know that?

"Even the name is misleading as majority of perpetrators are men therefore it’s male violence (men who report being abused are mostly also abused by other men)"

No. There is a significant amount of men who are regularly physically attacked by women and women attack other women as well, something I have had experience of, unfortunately. Women are also more abusive to children although the majority of sexual abuse of children is by men.

Male violence is certainly a problem in society but it doesn't mean we should ignore the problem of female violence or the fact that the vast majority of victims of violence overall are men. Men are also the large majority of suicides and workplace deaths and casualties of war. It's far more dangerous to be a man than a woman.

"and then we have some people who don’t even know what domestic violence even means anymore because hey, supposedly we are equal now so it’s fair if a man hits his partner if she hit him too-mutual abuse don’t ya know?

A lot of domestic violence is mutual and women more frequently instigate it.

"Doesn’t matter that statistically she’s the one to actually end up seriously injured, raped or murdered. Equality: we asked for it."

If you hit someone who is larger and stronger than you you do run the risk of being the one who ends up worse off.

You really would benefit from listening to and reading nothing but feminist literature. Identity politics has totally skewed your view of reality which is probably why you can still believe that Heard was the victim rather than an obvious abuser in the face of all the evidence.

Women are also more abusive to children although the majority of sexual abuse of children is by men.

I’ve not heard this before - do you have any data?

“A lot of domestic violence is mutual and women more frequently instigate it.”

Where have you got this from? Could you back it up with some evidence or proof please?

Some pro Depp posters definitely have an agenda, a lack of understanding of what domestic abuse entails and a selective memory.
I'm going to ignore that and stick to the facts of the case.

Not sure about Courtney Love yesterday, I don't think the fact Johnny resuscitated her outside the viper rooms will have helped his case that he's not a drug addict 🤔

Also Identity politics has totally skewed your view of reality 😂 what does this mean? 😂

www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-is-not-as-complicated-as-you-may-think/amp

Its the needing video evidence before they will believe that someone is suffering domestic abuse

its a shame to lose the whole post, could it be edited?

obviously only if you think its an issue!

That was obviously for miss

it just seems like you think that victims should need video evidence if they don’t have injuries and i know that’s obviously not the case

this is very much a video trial though so i quite understand if you think its a fair point and want to stand by it

I haven't got a side, but JD is not denying he was a drug addict. If anything he's been very open about it on the stand himself. The Viper Room in 1995 was a well known drug hot spot for the then young Hollywood, it was no secret. Same as Robert Downey Jr, often went, often took drugs there.

He states he's now in recovery and maintaining sobriety.

He might state he’s in recovery, but he would, wouldn’t he?
He’s been a drug addict for 30-40 odd years now.

I'm sick to the back teeth of people who turn up on here with their false claims that women are more abusive than men, that men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence etc. etc. Karen Ingala Smith has a comprehensive rebuttal on her site Counting Dead Women, under a series of pages collectively entitled "What about the men?":

kareningalasmith.com/2013/04/29/this-thing-about-male-victims/

I know, it’s desperate lies that they never back up, pathetic dick pandered and/or MRA’s.

AgnesNaismith · Today 07:41

Also Identity politics has totally skewed your view of reality 😂 what does this mean? 😂

It means that viewing everything through an identitarian lens (feminism) tends to make someone focus on the wrongs of their particular group while ignoring or minimising the things that happen to other groups. It turbo charges bias. Feminists and MRAs both play that game as do trans activists and so called anti-racists.

Thanks for that royal

www.nickwallis.com/_files/ugd/5df505_e62f89f69f22437cbb8262c77fe54519.pdf

I'm sure this will have been posted before but this is the official judgement from the judge in the UK trial. Despite what some may say it’s probably the most unbiased layout of all the facts in the case.

If you read that and still think JD is an innocent victim and AH the abuser then you are being wilfully ignorant and there’s no point in arguing with you.

What is the difference between a feminist and an MRA?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · Today 08:06

"Its the needing video evidence before they will believe that someone is suffering domestic abuse"

I don't necessarily need video evidence where the complainant is credible. In the case of Amber Heard anyone who isn't absolutely blinkered by feminist ideology can see she is a liar and an abusive woman.

Her photo evidence of her 'injuries' is obviously doctored and numerous people, including police officers saw her uninjured. She is getting ever more ludicrous in her claims, claims of severe beatings from a man who habitually wears heavy rings which would have left more obviously damaged than a slightly darker mark on her otherwise perfect face.

We already know she perjured herself in the UK court over the non-existent charity donations and did so in Australia over the dogs. She is a compulsive liar and is on tape being abusive and admitting violence. She also has a history of violence.

So, yes, when it comes to someone like Amber Heard I need very strong evidence to believe one word she says

AgnesNaismith · Today 10:37

"What is the difference between a feminist and an MRA?"

Very little, other than the target of their disgruntlement. Take a feminist text and replace the word man with woman and you have an MRA manifesto.

AgnesNaismith · Today 10:37

"What is the difference between a feminist and an MRA?"

Very little, other than the target of their disgruntlement. Take a feminist text and replace the word man with woman and you have an MRA manifesto.

Which is not to say neither group ever makes valid points.

AgnesNaismith · Today 07:29

Women are also more abusive to children although the majority of sexual abuse of children is by men.

"I’ve not heard this before - do you have any data?"

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/why-arent-we-talking-about-abusive-mums/news-story/629b48b93abd22be2b63f1344c0c5de

Thanks for clarifying yout point missatan

Indeed, but I've known people who have had far worse substance misuse dependency for decades and are now maintaing sobriety with substitutes like buvidrol injection or antibuse for alcohol. So he could well be maintaining, or he may not, nobody knows.

JD's usage on a professional level I'd probably class as medium. MDMA, coke and valium abuse. Basically high level recreational usage.

I'm not dealing with a long term currently using flat out polydrug user of IV heroine, smoking heroine, crack cocaine, spice, mdma, coke, alcohol, street vallium, street homeless and 137 offences. Where harm reduction is the best I can offer due to non-engagment with prescribed intervention.

I can however say I'm probably a bit "jaded" and to someone else his drug usage probably feels like the worst thing ever, and I'm just sat here shrugging my shoulders thinking "well it could be worse". 😳 So I'll agree my bias is present.

If AH team want to pay me like £6 grand. I could give my professional opinion on JD.

Looking at him, hearing him speak, his memory test I'd hazard a guess at Korsakoff . Not a personality disorder or concurrent with a personality disorder also.

Prolonged alcohol abuse can trigger this, it's usually a thiamine deficiency through lack of absorbtion of B12 which high volumes of alcohol can reduce.

Problem is once the damage to the brain is done it's not reversible. It's why lots of alcoholics are prescribed thiamine, to try and prevent it.

Korsakoff is like early onset dementia. Your brain isn't functioning properly, it leads to memory loss, confusion, irratibility and worst case sometimes fits of rage, uncontrolled anger and aggression. Long term alcohol abuse can do more harm than long term mdma/cocaine usage to brain and cognitive function.

We already know she perjured herself in the UK court over the non-existent charity donations and did so in Australia over the dogs. She is a compulsive liar and is on tape being abusive and admitting violence. She also has a history of violence.

As did JD , he's been found to be lying too. I am a southern gentleman- nope. AH ruined my career- nope. AH cut my finger off- nope. I am not a monster/don't have black outs- nope.

JD is also on tape being abusive and admitting violence along with other texts from others saying he was violent, a monster.

JD also has a history of violence. The lady yesterday an expert in the entertainment business outlined some of these. I am watching it now.

All of this- except the dogs as I don't know the ins and outs of that. Can apply to both. Why is it one rule for JD and one for AH?

Also- I find it strange that she can't possibly have been abused because she is a liar and was a abuser. Can't she be all of those things? I believe she can lie, can be an abuser but also can be abused too. One does not make the other impossible. They are not mutually exclusive.