Apparently female rape survivors 'need' mixed sex groups

[IamSarah]

Honestly. This is what my local rape crisis centre wrote in a letter to the EHRC.

Apparently women who have been raped need to welcome trans women into the rape crisis groups as they provide amazing value and are 'needed'.

Of course they haven't actually asked female survivors. None of it is trauma informed. I've no idea what the motivation is but its dodgy as hell.

survivorsnetwork.org.uk/our-letter-to-the-equalities-and-human-rights-commission/

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Here it is with feeling: twitter.com/SurvivorsnetBtn/status/1514227159149207556[/quote]
They have blocked me can anyone screen shot please?

Sarah, it's just a link to a tiktok.

Here is the tiktok vm.tiktok.com/ZMLbFMUDs/

I guess these are all young educated women who have studied in social sciences, and are more interested in theories and ideas than anything else. They clearly see their day job as an opportunity to implement these theories rather than centring and working 'foundation up' with their service users, iyswim. The service users are conduits for the implementation of imposed theories, rather than your the concepts and theories underpinning your service your arising from the experiences and voices of the women who use your services.

Thanks Purgatory and yes higher I totally agree. Lots of their videos seem to be made by young, idealistic women fresh out of uni.

They posted the same video on Facebook. I was interested to see that only two people liked it, both appear to be trans activists.

The service users are conduits for the implementation of imposed theories, rather than your the concepts and theories underpinning your service your arising from the experiences and voices of the women who use your services.
This: Service users being made to fit the policies rather than the other way round. Not uncommon.

And the females and the service they need are viewed as resources for expressing, furthering and performing those theories, the desire is to use the service for the serving of the theory rather than a desire to just work with and help those women.

It's increasingly getting to be that once a service lets in this eat-everything-in-its-path ideology, the service is no longer capable or competent of doing anything but serve the theory. It's incompatible with continuing the core brief. And this is why political capture is a Bad Thing.

Funding needs stripping, and new services setting up that actually serve raped women, instead of serving TQ agendas using them. (And just not bothering with the ones who won't co operatively be used.)

This is just so unfair. If the organisation is providing specialist groups which are for trans people only (which is great, and no sane person would object to that), why on earth can’t they also provide a service only for females (even if they refer to it as a group for ciswomen, as I imagine they would, at least then there would be something that is only for women). Why do trans people get to have their own group but women don’t? If they followed their own logic, then surely the trans-only groups would benefit from having people present who are not trans. Us ‘cis’ folk could bring ‘value’ to the trans group, no? I don’t understand why they can’t see how unfair this is.

Exactly waterlego - if the same was written about safe trans spaces I'm sure the TRAs would have something to say about it.

'Gender critical women are welcome in trans safe spaces, they add amazing value to safe trans spaces and trans people need GC women in their spaces'

Makes it very clear that 'equality' is not what it is about.

You'll get a lot of nonsense about 'privilege' meaning that it's necessary to stamp on women to raise male people up enough, it's kind of the new 'original sin of Eve' thing, but in all honesty it's just plain male supremacism. And wholly sex based thinking. With no problem at all knowing who is of which sex.

@IamSarah , @Artichokeleaves

Exactly.

The only reason to exclude a particular person from a support group such as this is because they belong to the class of people that is the oppressor.

So men don’t oppress women, but plain old female women oppress trans people? It’s so offensive.

The only reason to exclude a particular person from a support group such as this is because they belong to the class of people that is the oppressor.

That doesn't work for raped women wanting to be in a space to talk away from the class of people that were their oppressor.

Works for male people though.

Sex based thinking. And no genital checks or chromosome checks necessary; we all know who gets to say no, and whose 'no' is a reason for punishment.

Sex Matters has responded to this issue. They have used the word "no" a lot, so presumably someone will be along soon to tell them they are wrong and should be quiet.

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1519340296542302208
"When @ EHRC published their single sex service guidance a small group of trustees, staff and volunteers of women's sector organisations wrote to tell them they were wrong.
We have published an analysis of that letter"

sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/survivors-network/
sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Survivors-Network-letter.pdf

From the analysis, which contains a breakdown of the signatories:

"Do the signatories reflect a high proportion of the women’s sector?
No. This is a narrow group.

Do the signatories represent expertise on the Equality Act?
No. No equality law academics or lawyers signed.

Are the claims in the letter about user attitudes reliable?
No. They are based on a tiny sample and flawed methodology.

Does the letter reflect the views of the women’s sector as a whole?
No. Most women’s organisations understand that single-sex services cannot accommodate both sexes."

An excellent response.

This is the core issue across the whole 'queering society/childhood/everything' agenda: those passionate about this agenda seem to have significant problems realising that other people and their lives, needs and services are not an inanimate resource or prop available to be used in other people's lovely personal experiences and furthering their personal hobby horses. And throwing a tantrum, shouting 'extreme Christian right' (no, not anywhere in the uk dear, doesn't exist) and insisting that we don't talk to grotty, smelly, stupid old people who don't helicopter parent on demand and who do evil things like point out conflicting needs and their own rights is not an acceptable adult response that society can indulge.

An inability to understand or respect others, their consent, their boundaries, and to cope with non compliance on demand is the core issue across the board. Services should not be run for the lovely experience provided to the service providers. Increasingly this issue is meaning any service once captured is no longer capable of performing their core brief.

Which means that this, like all politics and faiths, should have no place in public services.

I'm in my late 30s. My ex boyfriend who raped and sexually assaulted me when I was 14 and he was 15 is now a 'transwoman'.

So no, they are not 'needed' or 'valued'. Not by me.

Some of them, like my ex, are predatory and should be kept away from all females, actually.

I'm sorry 777magic

I've no idea how women are supposed to tell the difference between predatory men like your ex and genuine people needing help.

It's naive to claim that men aren't taking advantage.

What the hell did I just read? Such complete bollocks.

Is there nothing that will not be sacrificed at the alter of trans bullshit. I can't believe they are throwing vulnerable women under the bus like this? It's abhorrent.

And as for this -
'It is true that the majority of perpetrators are male, but we also know that as a society, we make it extremely difficult to speak out about crimes committed by female perpetrators so the true scale of these perpetrators is largely unknown.'

It sounds as if they are trying to say that there are large swathes of female sex offenders out there that just haven't been reported. Which we know is not true. The fact that most sexual offences are committed by males on females is not just accidental, or some anomaly FFS.

When I read godawful shite that I just thought the gap between TRAs and overt MRAs is closing by the minute. There’s a few things I’ve seen on Twitter too that lead me to think that, young TRA ally males who don’t even bother to hide the fact they’re totally pro MRA too, all the guff about “misandry” and feminism gone too far etc. “Women do it too!” is very much a part of that chorus.

Yes, I think that too.

It’s barbaric.

This is just shocking misogyny. Women who have been raped do not need or want anyone with a penis in their safe spaces. Anyone claiming they do - without even bothering to ask the female rape victims, just speaking over them, is an out and out misogynist.

Let's see the female service users being asked this question. Let's see the % that agree. No way would they consent to this.

Of course female rape survivors don’t need to be around males, the embodiment of their abusers. They need it like a hole in the head.

It shouldn’t have to be said.

I have another thread about my legal challenge to the rape crisis org that is doing this but please follow me on Twitter for details of how you can help: https://twitter.com/sarahsurviving

Thank you.

There's absolutely no way of telling the difference. At the end of the day, it is a strange male and we don't know their intentions so they should never be in any women only space.

My ex was extremely abusive to me (and other girls) in his teens, I dread to think what he's like now as a 39 year old man.

Female service users won't ever be asked, unless it's a controlled, carefully selected group who can be relied upon to give the right answer.

It is not female service users who need to establish a narrative that female rape survivors need male people in their support groups.

It's another 'this is the desired end point, so here's about twenty wild, flailing around and semi coherent attempts at justifying that desired end point' thing.

@IamSarah is this your legal challenge that's been reported on the BBC?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61958346

Did the BBC report just decide not to include in the report that they ran trans only groups too?

Yes it's my case that is being covered by the BBC today.