Apparently female rape survivors 'need' mixed sex groups

[IamSarah]

Honestly. This is what my local rape crisis centre wrote in a letter to the EHRC.

Apparently women who have been raped need to welcome trans women into the rape crisis groups as they provide amazing value and are 'needed'.

Of course they haven't actually asked female survivors. None of it is trauma informed. I've no idea what the motivation is but its dodgy as hell.

survivorsnetwork.org.uk/our-letter-to-the-equalities-and-human-rights-commission/

I've gone away and come back to this thread three times now because as soon as I begin to comment I realise i can't say what I want to without getting deleted.

Any woman signing this piece of excrement should be sacked.

There is nothing in the EHRC guidelines to say these orgs cannot offer mixed sex services if that is what they want to do. So what they are demanding is that no one else should be able to offer single sex services.

To be fair to the centre, it's only a small proportion of their volunteers/staff who've signed the letter.

True. However, unless they have compassionate staff left who are dedicated to making sure these women never come face-to-face with a client, some clients are going to get the signatories' lecturing that identifies as support .

This is appalling.

@Lovelyricepudding

There is nothing in the EHRC guidelines to say these orgs cannot offer mixed sex services if that is what they want to do. So what they are demanding is that no one else should be able to offer single sex services.

They lack the courage of their own convictions.

They wish to provide mixed-sex services and they want to be able to say "but the law makes us" when women object.

Cowards. If they think they're doing the right thing, they should willing to stand up and say that they only provide mixed-sex services because they think it's right. And also willing to seek funding from the general public on that platform.

They would then however have to own that they believe that only female people should not be entitled to any alternative to mixed sex provision.

Their male born clients can choose from a variety of options for their best comfort and I am downright positive that none of these idiots would hesitate to pontificate about how TQ+ people requiring TQ+ only spaces must be supported and catered to, and male people requiring male only spaces.

It is only females who must have mixed sex.

Because male people wish to be with them, and it is unacceptable to say no to a male. Even for a female to be able to be helped with her rape. If she is not able to understand that the most important thing about her trauma is how it can be used for the benefit of male people then she can go without services.

Stop the fucking planet and let me off.

What provision is there for female transitioners? Female transitioners are targeted for corrective rape, as are other female humans who don't conform enough.

If these services are mixed-sex but single-gender, where do they go?

I read the letter and much of the research the author of that letter supposedly used for the evidence they cite.

The evidence on sexual violence against women and transgender people comes from several different studies, most of which are based on American data, but the numbers are compared between studies with different methodologies. It's quite possible that the numbers are not comparable (a bit like adding pounds and ounces to kilos and grams without realising that one is doing that).

The ones about violence against trans people are not based on statistical samples but on asking people to participate by leaving ads on various transgender or LGBTetc sites.

That is a convenient way of reaching respondents, but because they self-select it is quite likely that their situation cannot be generalised into all transgender people's experiences, say. Those with strongest feelings about the topic of some study are most likely to take part, to give one example of the kind of bias that might be introduced.

So I wouldn't regard the evidence the letter quotes as necessarily correct yet.

But what really struck me about the tone of the letter is something I have felt in other contexts, too: The younger generation appears to feel that they must pick either supporting transgender people or supporting bog-standard women, and they believe the former need that support more.

What they don't seem to see is that they are not supporting transgender people as much as the gender identity ideology with its attempts to entirely erase the sex class 'women' while keeping the sex class 'men' intact. It's possible to support transgender rights without supporting the idiotic gender identity cult, and I'd recommend trying to distinguish between the two as the gender identity approach is inherently sexist, misogynist and ultimately incapable of guaranteeing equality of the sexes (not interested in that, either, of course).

I tried to respond to this, but couldn't write anything that wouldn't be deleted. Traumatised women do not need anyone telling them to prioritise male feelings.

Love in sisterhood to Sarah and all women recovering from male violence.

The younger generation appears to feel that they must pick either supporting transgender people or supporting bog-standard women, and they believe the former need that support more.

That's quite a generous interpretation and I applaud that you're much less cynical than I am. I'm at the stage where I interpret such choices as being made by those who know that supporting one group to the detriment of the other is a sound path, whether for career reasons or as a CV ornament for a voluntary activity.

I don’t often hate people, but I hate the women doing this to other women. Using survivors of sexual violence to push your ideology and virtue signal.

I hate and despise these women. If I saw them in person I think I would spit on them.

@HermioneWeasley

I don’t often hate people, but I hate the women doing this to other women. Using survivors of sexual violence to push your ideology and virtue signal.

I hate and despise these women. If I saw them in person I think I would spit on them.

I understand the passion created in full view of internalised misogyny but no…no spitting, milkshakes, nor other familiar expressions of contempt.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

I don't always succeed, but I try and remember this when I need to remember how easy it is to be caught up in the general contempt for women and the need for a route back to other women when the scales fall from the scales on the eyes of those who couldn't previously see it.

'they add amazing value to these spaces'

Still can't get over that phrase. Is it implying the boring old cunty type of women are of a lesser value than male-born people? Because it seems to imply that to me.

That's what I get from it, and the implication that the support of womyn-born-womyn is a bit useless compared to the support of a male person.

If the wrong person had written this, they'd be cancelled for transphobia and misogyny, tbh.

@DomesticatedZombie

'they add amazing value to these spaces'

Still can't get over that phrase. Is it implying the boring old cunty type of women are of a lesser value than male-born people? Because it seems to imply that to me.

I was thinking the same.

Imagine if a trans charity was run by GC feminists who wrote to the ERCH saying GC women are welcome in all trans groups. Imagine if GC feminists claimed GC women provided amazing value to safe trans spaces and trans people need GC women in their spaces.

That’s how nonsensical it feels, particularly as trans activists always insist they were raped by GC women 🙄

Here it is with feeling: twitter.com/SurvivorsnetBtn/status/1514227159149207556

And in what form does the 'amazing value' manifest for traumatised women I wonder?

And no replies permitted. Quelle Surprise.

I have thought about this over the last few days, and the only conclusion I have arrived at is this: Many previously for-women organisations have been captured and are now for-transwomen organisations.

The capture may or may not have been intentional, but once the gender identity ideology took hold it was pretty much a done thing. The globally oppressed sex, 'women,' was turned into the privileged sub-class of the new gender identity class 'women'. And young activists don't want to fight for the more privileged groups...

Yes, quelle suprise indeed!

@nepeta

I have thought about this over the last few days, and the only conclusion I have arrived at is this: Many previously for-women organisations have been captured and are now for-transwomen organisations.

The capture may or may not have been intentional, but once the gender identity ideology took hold it was pretty much a done thing. The globally oppressed sex, 'women,' was turned into the privileged sub-class of the new gender identity class 'women'. And young activists don't want to fight for the more privileged groups...

I have good news for you then!

I have just left a meeting about funding for a variety of community charities. We didn't get to the agenda as an older gentleman had brought in copies of the Survivors Network letter and comandeered the meeting. They are furious.

They are writing a response, from our crisis centre/refuge and it will ostensibly be sent by one of our younger workers - in her* 20s, non binary, blue haired etc etc. very stereotypically one thing and yet, she holds no truck with TWAW etc. She will, apparently, send it on behalf of all of the younger users of the centre, mums, kids, all traumatised and in hiding from male violence.

Survivors Netweork and everyone who signed it, if they can be found, MPs etc will get a copy. They are all quite angry, after some initial disbelief. I doubt this will be the last I see of this!

*Her take on pronouns is she is what she is, don't sweat it, I have not misgendered her so don't bother reporting me Oh Ye Who Monitor!.

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Here it is with feeling: twitter.com/SurvivorsnetBtn/status/1514227159149207556[/quote]
I wondered if I'd happened upon a Brass Eye cutting that was deemed too out there to broadcast when I watched this.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist

How wonderful! I'm so glad to read that as I have been depressed all due to the world going crazy in far too many ways.

Thank you for your work.

Not my work, I just do some admin. I rarely make it to the 'shop floor' in the centre. The foodbank is more my space

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist

Not my work, I just do some admin. I rarely make it to the 'shop floor' in the centre. The foodbank is more my space

That is very important work, too. We all need to eat.