Government ban on conversion therapy dropped

[DERFDogmaExlusionary]

Breaking news

Leaked briefing "The PM has agreed we should not move forward with legislation to ban LGBT conversion therapy"

@PronounssheRa

I suppose tying the T to the LGB made this very difficult. Tackling conversion therapy for LGB is very different from the T.

Just have a look at the Mike webberley tribunal tweets to see where affirmation with T can lead.

The primary difference is that you support subjecting trans people to it.

Oh shit, looks like I'm a Tory voter now.

Definitely not a fan at all of LGB conversion, I wish this could be extracted from the T because of course there's no medicalisation and surgery involved.

But what a result at the moment for confused children, and all those vulnerable girls.

Cayeli

The primary difference is that you support subjecting trans people to it.

I may have misunderstood this but it reads as though you are accusing me of subjecting trans people to conversion therapy. If so you should have some pretty strong evidence to support that accusation.

I know plenty of LGB people, particularly from religious families, who would disagree.

Ditching this may be justified if bad law but I won't be celebrating.

Apparently the bill is back on :

🚨 U-TURN ON THE U-TURN 🚨

The Prime Minister has changed his mind off the back of the reaction to our report and he WILL now ban conversion therapy after all.

Senior Govt source absolutely assures me it’ll be in Queen’s Speech.

But only gay conversion therapy, not trans.
twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1509632191067828229

Aha. That's interesting.

Interesting.

But only gay conversion therapy, not trans

That's excellent. We do need to ban actual gay conversion therapy, which is vile. We just want to ensure that the new law isn't used as a Trojan horse, to injure kids with gender dysphoria.

Yes, seems increasingly sensible. How refreshing.

Well, we probably don’t need to ban ‘gay conversion therapy’, which, again, isn’t legal now unless we’re counting someone going to their own religious leader and asking them to pray with them to make them straight. To be clear, I don’t think that would work. But I don’t think it should be illegal.

No problem at all with a ban on gay conversion therapy but children & teenagers confused about their identity should be given the time & space to discuss that rather than therapists immediately agreeing they’re the opposite sex and putting them down for hormones

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Apparently the bill is back on :

🚨 U-TURN ON THE U-TURN 🚨

The Prime Minister has changed his mind off the back of the reaction to our report and he WILL now ban conversion therapy after all.

Senior Govt source absolutely assures me it’ll be in Queen’s Speech.

But only gay conversion therapy, not trans.
twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1509632191067828229[/quote]
Oooft, that'll sting even more for the trojan horse lobbying extremists.

Waiting on an addition to the u turn. I'm getting dizzy

The new U-turn, CT for LGB only, is now being reported on Radio 4. That looks like they've stumbled into doing the right thing, but obviously things are so unstable who knows where things might end up. For example, gender identity being reinserted into the Bill by an amendment in Parliament.

That's back to the EHRC position then. But what will be illegal exactly because many of the things listed were already offences. And then they have to balance free speech for talking therapy. Very difficult.

"Gender identity" won't be on the statute books though which is important.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

But only gay conversion therapy, not trans

That's excellent. We do need to ban actual gay conversion therapy, which is vile. We just want to ensure that the new law isn't used as a Trojan horse, to injure kids with gender dysphoria.

Oh well that's perfect n'est pas? Gay children and adults - conversion therapy banned; trans people - allowed to explore any issues. Result!

Fuck me, I'm bloody agreeing with Tories. My mother told me this would happen. I didn't believe her.

'How common is conversion therapy?

It's difficult to know exactly how widespread the practice is. The government has not defined exactly what it counts as conversion therapy, and victims may be reluctant to share their experiences.

About 5% of the 108,000 people who responded to a 2018 LGBT government survey said they had been offered some form of conversion therapy, while 2% had undergone it.

Those from an ethnic minority background were twice as likely to be affected. About 10% of Christian respondents and 20% of Muslims said they had undergone or been offered conversion therapy, compared to 6% with no religion.

More than half said it was conducted by a faith group, while one in five received it from healthcare professionals.

The figure is higher among transgender respondents. Almost one in 10 trans men said they had been offered conversion therapy, and one in 25 said they had undergone it.

But the survey did not define what it meant by conversion therapy, and did not ask when it had happened, or whether it was in the UK.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56496423

I can't be understanding. Under the heading 'what is conversion therapy' there is absolutely zero information on what conversion therapy actually is.

This is kind of wild! I can't believe it's happening, it's like everything we have been talking about on here for so long has finally fallen onto the ears of the grown ups, it's bizarre!

@DERFDogmaExlusionary

Breaking news

Leaked briefing "The PM has agreed we should not move forward with legislation to ban LGBT conversion therapy"

Oh thank God for this. What a relief. Thanks for the good new, OP.

I wrote to my Labour MP, who toes the trans line so diligently that it's quite funny reading his replies to my emails -- those that he replies to. He completely ignores what I've written and gives me a little lecture on being kind. Not to women, of course, being kind to women is never on the agenda.

But without his help, it looks as if the Labour party is starting to work out what a tiny number of people want healthy children put on puberty-blocking drugs.

Hmm I wonder if it was planned this way. Optics now make BJ look quite good. Or maybe that's the gin talking!

Good news.

It's just been on R4 news that the legislation is going through but without the T

The thing is, it's really difficult to defend a legislation that would make it illegal to give counselling to someone, particularly a child, who was thinking about making major irreversible changes to their body with drugs and surgery.

And by separating the T from LGB, there is no more piggybacking on gay rights - the T itself has to be discussed in its own right. I see that OJ and friends have already started with the 'if you don't care about trans rights you are not an LGBT ally' crap, but that's just not going to cut the mustard anymore. They are going to have to explain why it should be illegal to give counselling to a child who wants puberty blockers.

The emperor is stark bollock naked. Wow!

Reported on ITV late news... it seemed to be biased reporting in that the first retraction of the bill was “bad” then everyone trying hard not to approve of the separation of the T from the LG. I think many of us here wrote in to the consultation making exactly this distinction and I am glad we were finally listened to. Seems the unraveling is moving faster. Well done vipers

trying hard not to approve of the separation of the T from the LG