To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

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Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

Since Gender Crits thought theirs was the only way to be a woman, perhaps, and that the world revolves around their weird obsessions.

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Anyone cosying up to right wing ideologues

Given some of the terms you've used here - I do feel need to point out UK conservative party aka the Tories are- by people who have knowledge and understand both countires politics - usually considered slightly to the left of the US democtratic party.

This website poster's is usually considered to be slightly left of the UK population as a whole.

As well as slight differences in words - like bathroom not meaning toilet here - it's very different poltically.

I'm sure the vast readership of a weird obsessive corner of mumsnet is hanging on my every word.

It was your bizarre attitude that got us moved to this corner. I've never been on this board before in my life. I think you've made this thread much more than it ever needed to be. You misquoted. You called women who've been refused their dignity liars, and the women who support them liars.

How many ways are there to be woman?

How many human females are there, because that's how many ways there are to be a woman

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

Great quote! Thank you for posting that. It is a keeper.

Since when did 'a service provider was rude to me' become complaint to an MP territory?

Perhaps when there is a much wider context of women being demonised for wanting something that the Equality Act says they are entitled to? Perhaps when said provider is one of many that doesn't provide sufficiently for women?

it's a battle to ensure that females have the right to male free spaces everywhere for their safety, privacy and dignity without question or judgement and anyone who believes that females do not deserve that most simple and basic consideration is a misogynist.

Absolutely. And that leads to two very interesting questions:

• WHY do male people not want female people to have this? Well because it's bloody inconvenient for the males who want to make use of those females in those spaces for their own personal agendas

• WHY is it that male people have this fixed belief that all spaces belong to them, that they're the management committee of the human race and they will decide what in their supreme wisdom they might allow females to need and to have?

The whole thing is male supremacism. If you want to frame it as TQ+ 'rights' can only be achieved by destroying female rights and subordinating them to male people then you're making it a choice of one or the other. And I go for the 51% of the human race who are female.

Hey, welcome girlmom21!

@Helleofabore

Hey, welcome girlmom21!

Thank you

The way you twist and spin to accuse Lucy Allen's constituent of lying reminds me of the way men's rights activists treat women who report rape.

90% of a theatre's customers will not base their decision to go there on its toilet policy.

There's a lot of choice in London - there's no reason to go to places where you're made to feel uncomfortable. There are some Victorian theatres I avoid because of terrible seating. Some, the journey's too irritating. And I haven't been back to the Old Vic since they removed the women's toilets. Surely most people want an overall good experience for their money and are choosing between various options?

@girlmom21

I'm sure the vast readership of a weird obsessive corner of mumsnet is hanging on my every word.

It was your bizarre attitude that got us moved to this corner. I've never been on this board before in my life. I think you've made this thread much more than it ever needed to be. You misquoted. You called women who've been refused their dignity liars, and the women who support them liars.

Welcome to the Resistance!

Welcome to the Naughty Step @girlmom21

Stay awhile, get comfy

Perhaps when there is a much wider context of women being demonised for wanting something that the Equality Act says they are entitled to? Perhaps when said provider is one of many that doesn't provide sufficiently for women?

Exactly. It's likely that the constituent wrote a general letter to her MP asking for her support on women's single sex spaces, and including reasons why they were important to her and background as to her concerns.

@Helleofabore

oooooh.... echo chamber!!!! Can we call bingo yet?

Yes we can. Right wing, Trump, not feminists, liars, making things up, bigoted minority, transphobic, gender crits, policing bathrooms. Just missing the right wing christian funding and followers of Putin bit...

@334bu

*Since Gender Crits thought theirs was the only way to be a woman, perhaps, and that the world revolves around their weird obsessions.*

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I know such a weird obsession to want single sex spaces and services for female people to be available and guaranteed they are exactly that single sex.

Ensuring that women whilst going about their daily lives are afforded the basic consideration of safety, dignity and privacy in spaces and services designed for their use is such a wacky way out idea completely underserving of respect.

I am just going to post some other threads from AIBU here. They got many more votes than OP's very confusing poll.

This one was about Starmer and his 'it shouldn't be said that only women have a cervix' comment.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4359210-It-shouldn-t-be-said-that-only-women-have-a-cervix

This one is women expressed their opinion as to being forced to accept labels that they do not want to accept and that they feel is not right for them.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4395656-To-despise-being-called-cis

I want to point out that OP has continually tried to make others believe that the OP's opinion on toilets and inclusiveness are aligned with the majority of people. This is however a falsity.

When women are confronted with the realities of the accommodations that they being asked to make, the over all feeling is not representated by the OPs.

This has been an ongoing tactic used by extreme activists to again minimise and isolate people who don't agree with their views. However, it was only after numerous threads on AIBU with polls that finally most of the MN activists who tried that, gave up. Because it was so easily seen to be untrue.

Just another tactic though to silence people who disagree.

I can imagine that there might well have been some lively discussion about this issue, if the OP had not set the tone from the first. With a misrepresentation of a tweet.

This tweet:

“I was at the Barbican yesterday where there were male toilets, disabled toilets, and gender neutral toilets. I asked where were the female toilets as I am not gender neutral I am a woman and they laughed in my face. Women are being erased.”

@VestofAbsurdity

You lot aren't feminists.

Anyone cosying up to right wing ideologues to win some battle on toilets while those ideologues continue to push an economic and political model that has continued to exacerbate poverty, precarious employment, decaying communities and dalays or failures in vital and time sensitive public services (all of which impact women disproportionately) is not a feminist.

Well you sure as shit ain't a feminist. Feminism is for and about females, not males however they feel about themselves.

It's not a battle on toilets it's a battle to ensure that females have the right to male free spaces everywhere for their safety, privacy and dignity without question or judgement and anyone who believes that females do not deserve that most simple and basic consideration is a misogynist.

Failure to supply that most simple and basic of requests actively excludes some of the most vulnerable and marginalised women in society, if you are happy with that then you are a misogynist.

If it is trans hostile to want that most simple and basic of considerations then it is proof positive that the trans rights agenda is in direct opposition to women and women's rights and that is misogynist.

Yes!

@ScribblingPixie

90% of a theatre's customers will not base their decision to go there on its toilet policy.

There's a lot of choice in London - there's no reason to go to places where you're made to feel uncomfortable. There are some Victorian theatres I avoid because of terrible seating. Some, the journey's too irritating. And I haven't been back to the Old Vic since they removed the women's toilets. Surely most people want an overall good experience for their money and are choosing between various options?

I suspect actually there will be a bit of a light bulb moment when numbers are down and it cannot be attributed to covid.

Like the Labour Party who are scratching their heads as to why membership fees are down and they have to find large donors quickly.

If it is trans hostile to want that most simple and basic of considerations then it is proof positive that the trans rights agenda is in direct opposition to women and women's rights and that is misogynist.

Yep! I noticed that OP ignored my question about that from the previous page.

@VestofAbsurdity

You lot aren't feminists.

Anyone cosying up to right wing ideologues to win some battle on toilets while those ideologues continue to push an economic and political model that has continued to exacerbate poverty, precarious employment, decaying communities and dalays or failures in vital and time sensitive public services (all of which impact women disproportionately) is not a feminist.

Well you sure as shit ain't a feminist. Feminism is for and about females, not males however they feel about themselves.

It's not a battle on toilets it's a battle to ensure that females have the right to male free spaces everywhere for their safety, privacy and dignity without question or judgement and anyone who believes that females do not deserve that most simple and basic consideration is a misogynist.

Failure to supply that most simple and basic of requests actively excludes some of the most vulnerable and marginalised women in society, if you are happy with that then you are a misogynist.

If it is trans hostile to want that most simple and basic of considerations then it is proof positive that the trans rights agenda is in direct opposition to women and women's rights and that is misogynist.

Tell you what.

You keep railing against someone having to walk up or down half a flight of stairs to get to a womens bathroom.

And I'll keep railing against a political and economic system implemented by your transphobic allies that disproportionately leaves women facing poverty and exclusion.

I know which of us will have done more for women.

Hellofabore I've asked two or three times for the actual words used by the MP to back up OP's claims that the MP said the Barbican has no women's toilets and it's just tumbleweed, ironic really as OP claims the MP is lying and then cannot provide proof of the lie which suggests - wait for it - the OP is the one lying.

Always instructive as to which questions, comments and indeed threads certain OP's and posters studiously ignore, if they think by doing so they get away with it they couldn't be more wrong it stands out like a turd in swimming pool.

The sad, sad truth is that most people - including most women - don't give a shit about your weird little witch hunts about every venue that you deem to be insufficiently hostile to trans people

Well this seems a little harsh bearing in mind that you 'literally' started it

Everything was bumbling along quite nicely til you mentioned the barbican bogs

I know which of us will have done more for women.

Women or "women"?

I went into the Barbican to use the loo the weekend before last and they'd cut off access to every single bloody toilet, which felt like an unnecessarily radical solution. (Think they were preparing for an event.) Had to use the ones at New Change instead (men's and ladies, very old school)

Yes, I know I'm missing the point.