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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR being burned again thanks to Putin

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 25/03/2022 14:45

Twitter is awash with blue ticks doing lots of “JKR is on a level with putin” and sky news have helpfully Hmm amplified it

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/03/2022 21:40

Jesus, yes, @nauticant.

That is terrifying.

DrSbaitso · 25/03/2022 21:45

There's an idiot a minute claiming they're right "because everyone laughed at Galileo".

Yes, but Galileo was a genius and you're just a tosspot.

Sittinginthesand · 25/03/2022 21:49

Orinoco - that’s because globally nearly everyone is aligned with gender critical views, so that includes all sorts of people. Nearly everyone in the world is able to accurately identify male and female people, and most people know that humans can’t change sex, this includes right wing, left wing, no wing… it’s only a tiny group, massively amplified by social media that are involved in all this nonsense.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 25/03/2022 21:50

@nauticant

It took one comment by Putin, a single comment, and thousands of trans activists and trans allies immediately danced to his tune. It shows how easy they are to manipulate, and how many of them have no filter whatsoever about where they'll allow manipulation to come from.

Putin is engaged with propaganda as a distraction from the war in Ukraine and these people are willing to unthinkingly do his work for him. This is remarkable.

Yes, you have nailed it. It's scary really isn't it?
nauticant · 25/03/2022 21:56

In one way it's not that unsurprising, similarly messed-up things are going on. If you go online you'll find that Putin is getting support both from the far Left and from the far Right, because they both hate aspects of modern Western society/culture. The far Left are obsessed about anti-Imperialism and the far Right view modern Western society/culture as degenerate.

You have to see this blaming of JKR for what Putin is doing within this kind of screwed-up thinking.

orinocosfavoritecake · 25/03/2022 21:57

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Sorry, but no. Mumsnet-aligned gender critical views belong, world-wide to the far-right & the religiously intolerant, not to the rest of us.

Look. I get the intellectual appeal of ‘if you lose the ability to define women by bio sex then you lose the ability to protect women.’ It’s a beautiful theory - hangs together perfectly.

But it shatters when it hits reality - because the people with power who are backing that line are the ones who want to shred women’s rights.

I don’t much like that either.

NumberTheory · 25/03/2022 21:58

[quote orinocosfavoritecake]@nepeta


As I wrote earlier, the groups and people you list want to keep the female biological sex down. We want to stop that from happening. Both objectives need to have a name for the female biological sex. The rest of what the groups and people you mention is diametrically opposite to what we want.’

Or being able to split humanity by biological sex is intrinsically helpful to people who want to oppress women?[/quote]
People can already split humans by biological sex. Changing the law or social default to gender identity over sex won't stop that. It's something even babies are pretty good at. People don't treat most trans people as the gender they identify as because they don't look like the gender they identify as and don't have the differences that normally go hand in hand with that gender. You can't discriminate against a pregnant transwoman, because there transwomen cannot be pregnant. Transwomen aren't at greater risk from traffic accidents because cars are primarily designed to protect men, because they are male. Transwomen are generally socially penalised for not performing masculinity, not for not performing femininity.

Non of that means that transwomen don't also need accomodation and protection from discrimination. Just that they aren't women and don't suffer discrimination on the same basis as women.

What gender ideology attempts to do is stop women organizing and demanding action and accommodation on the basis of their sex - which is the factor that lead to their discrimination. Pushing instead, to allow anyone to demand the protections and accommodations that have been fought for by women even when they not only haven't suffered the discrimination and do not need the accommodations but often have benefitted from the privilege of their male sex and continue to do so.

orinocosfavoritecake · 25/03/2022 21:58

Sorry - that was meant for: Sittinginthesand.

Must get remedial training at the troll farm.

Quaggars · 25/03/2022 22:03

because the people with power who are backing that line are the ones who want to shred women’s rights

Exactly

OldCrone · 25/03/2022 22:08

Mumsnet-aligned gender critical views belong, world-wide to the far-right & the religiously intolerant, not to the rest of us.

Once again showing that you don't understand what gender critical means. Being gender critical has nothing in common with those groups (apart from knowing that it's not possible to change sex).

As JK Rowling put it:
Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.

Can you explain what is intolerant about those views?

nauticant · 25/03/2022 22:09

Has the irresistible lure of blaming JKR for what Putin has been up to brought Quaggars out of retirement or have they been back for a while?

orinocosfavoritecake · 25/03/2022 22:10

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’.

nauticant · 25/03/2022 22:11

I see the thread has an Animal Farm tribute act.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 25/03/2022 22:14

[quote orinocosfavoritecake]@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Sorry, but no. Mumsnet-aligned gender critical views belong, world-wide to the far-right & the religiously intolerant, not to the rest of us.

Look. I get the intellectual appeal of ‘if you lose the ability to define women by bio sex then you lose the ability to protect women.’ It’s a beautiful theory - hangs together perfectly.

But it shatters when it hits reality - because the people with power who are backing that line are the ones who want to shred women’s rights.

I don’t much like that either.[/quote]
The confidence with which you say this is quite amusing.

Do you honestly think the way to end the oppression of women is to pretend there aren't two sexes? Confused

Hasselhoffsheadband · 25/03/2022 22:17

@nauticant

Has the irresistible lure of blaming JKR for what Putin has been up to brought Quaggars out of retirement or have they been back for a while?
Yeah I thought that too! 🤣
OldCrone · 25/03/2022 22:21

@orinocosfavoritecake

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’.
Ah. Redefining language again. Like the definition of woman.

So now we need a new word for those of us who aren't anti trans but disagree that gender is more important than sex. The people who used to be called 'gender critical' until 5 minutes ago.

But those people you call 'gender critical' aren't critical of gender at all. They love gender, just as TRAs do.

littlbrowndog · 25/03/2022 22:36

@DomesticatedZombie

Lots of Russian money in gender critical organisations.

Grin Batshit. Absolutely batshit.

Oh can’t wait for my money. Excited
Hasselhoffsheadband · 25/03/2022 22:41

Christ just had a good old read of Twitter - they are so busy congratulating each other on 'JKGB Rowling' and '#putinwontwheesht' that they are completely oblivious to the fact that they are all doing exactly what he wants them to do!

DomesticatedZombie · 25/03/2022 22:42

@nauticant

It took one comment by Putin, a single comment, and thousands of trans activists and trans allies immediately danced to his tune. It shows how easy they are to manipulate, and how many of them have no filter whatsoever about where they'll allow manipulation to come from.

Putin is engaged with propaganda as a distraction from the war in Ukraine and these people are willing to unthinkingly do his work for him. This is remarkable.

Well, he knows how to manipulate the discourse. And there will never be a shortage of people with very limited critical thinking ability, unfortunately.
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/03/2022 22:45

I said months ago that if Putin supported gender identity theory, trans activists would love him forever, no matter whatever else he did.

None of this shocks me.

I don't give a fuck what kind of deliberately divisive comments Putin makes, and if trans activists do, they're just telling me what I already knew: featherbrains are blown away by the slightest breeze.

StillWeRise · 25/03/2022 22:47

Mumsnet-aligned gender critical views belong, world-wide to the far-right & the religiously intolerant, not to the rest of us.

and yet, without exception, the GC feminists - most of whom would be best described as radical feminists- that I know IRL and on line are left wing and/or green, trade unionists, veterans of many campaigns around women's rights, reproductive rights, anti racism, gay rights, against section 28, etc etc. A few may be religious, but none are religiously intolerant. Many of us came to this position naively wanting to 'be kind' and only when we saw the reality of the danger to women's rights were our eyes opened. Trust me there's a million things I'd rather be doing. It's like having to face yet another challenge to our reproductive rights. I feel like- shit really? we've got to take this on now?

nauticant · 25/03/2022 22:48

If you look at who his manipulation is most effective with, it does seem to be those who are driven by an irrational animus. Once he can tap into that, people can often be very malleable.

This is a very old story of course. There are precedents all over the place.

334bu · 25/03/2022 22:50

03Quaggars

because the people with power who are backing that line are the ones who want to shred women’s rights

Exactlytwitter.com/i/status/1507159162752487425

You mean people like these in the video and all the TRA organisations like Stonewall who are campaigning to have the government remove women's rights to single sex facilities from the Equality Act.

334bu · 25/03/2022 22:51

twitter.com/i/status/1507159162752487425

AdamRyan · 25/03/2022 22:56

only a few weeks ago we were told that Putin was funding the feminist organisations, and now people are claiming that he's behind the trans organisations.
He doesn't care! He'll fund both, because the aim is to polarise and destabilise society so we don't trust each other.
It shows the influence/power JKR has that he pulled her in. Its a massive compliment. But yes, he's clever that now we are distracted

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