JKR being burned again thanks to Putin

[Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]

Twitter is awash with blue ticks doing lots of “JKR is on a level with putin” and sky news have helpfully amplified it

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It's strange to claim that there's not some concern about money going into newly formed anti-trans orgs, when they're boasting about having spent £2 million on spurious court cases and people like Kate Scotow have explicitly stated that they have been approached by religious right orgs to take over their cases (to her credit she stated she told them where to go).

ADF and the like have been funding anti-LGBT and anti-women legislation for many years. Some actual feminists such as Jean Hachet have been warning about sitting with the religious right for years

@orinocosfavoritecake

Well, globally gender critical ideology is aligned with the right/far right & with anti-abortion, anti-divorce and anti-contraception campaigners.

Bolsonaro, Salvini, Putin, US Republican party, Tucker goddamn Carlson on Fox News, US Southern Baptists, Catholic Church. From the neo-nazi truckers in Canada to the Liberal party in Australia pretty much the whole gamut of right-wingers side with mumsnet on trans issues.

This is the side you’ve picked and they really really hate you.

Always reminds me of that old Onion headline about the second world war ‘Japanese side with white supremacists in well-thought out plan’

(There will be people coming along in a sec saying that I’ve cherry-picked. Sure I have. Look at that list again. Oh - and Iran doesn’t support trans rights - they support surgical sex changes.)

No such thing as a “ sex change “ No one can change sex. HTH

Well, globally gender critical ideology is aligned with the right/far right & with anti-abortion, anti-divorce and anti-contraception campaigners.

to

This is the side you’ve picked and they really really hate you.

in one post.

Yeah, because they're not aligned with us.

Here's the thing, love. We're feminists. We're not going to stop recognising and describing misogyny and its impact on women because it upsets misogynists across the world.

We object to the reifying of sex role stereotype. This is incredibly basic feminism, the next step up from "women should be entitled to vote too" and you expect us to give in on it, because some far right people somewhere are allegedly fighting us less hard on some of our views?

Um, no. If the right wing do ever decide to start listening to feminists on anything, that will be great, actually, because we have some things we'd like to explain to them about contraceptive access, and access to terminations, and divorce, for that matter.

While we're at it, I'm so pleased you brought up divorce and abortion.

More on that in the next post.

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/gender-wars-two-opposing-perspectives-on-the-trans-and-womens-rights-debate

This essay is one in a long line of examples of a trans activist holding Malta up as a shining beacon because it has self-declaration for trans people.

Let's talk about what else it has.

Malta has some of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the world and is the only country in the European Union to prohibit abortion entirely. Even the (lifesaving!) treatment of tube removal after an ectopic pregnancy (which constitutes an indirect abortion) is only allowed on a policy of case-by-case decisions.

Generous of them, hmm?

There was some coverage in the press last year about how that policy meant there was a delay of over two days (while they waited for authorisation) before the termination for one woman's ectopic pregnancy could be carried out. It's not like time could be of the essence or anything, is it? Not like fallopian tubes can rupture.

A Maltese doctors for life group defended the policy with the very convincing rebuttal that no pregnant woman in Malta had lost her life due to an ectopic pregnancy/tubal pregnancy for the past 10 years.

To that, I say,
i) that implies that one or more died before that timeframe, and;
ii) how many lost the tube due to rupture while waiting for the procedure?
iii) how many women had to suffer, both physically and emotionally, for an unnecessary period of time while waiting for authorisation to be given?

This is the text of the legislation.

Whosoever, by any food, drink, medicine, or by violence, or by any other means whatsoever, shall cause the miscarriage of any woman with child, whether the woman be consenting or not, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from18 months to three years. [Bold mine]

The same punishment shall be awarded against any woman who shall procure her own miscarriage,or who shall have consented to the use of the means by which the miscarriage is procured. [Bold mine]

Any physician, surgeon, obstetrician, or apothecary, who shall have knowingly prescribed or administered the means whereby the miscarriage is procured, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from eighteen months to four years, and to perpetual interdiction from the exercise of his profession.

Yup, that's right. Women can go to prison for having a termination.

You can read more about Malta, pinnacle of human rights, here. www.voiceforchoice.mt/abortion-law

If I may, I'd like to discuss tubal pregnancies a little more.

For those who aren't already fully aware, perhaps because the information has never been relevant to their bodies, a tubal pregnancy happens when a fertilized egg implants (gets permanently stuck) in the fallopian tube — the passage twixt ovary and uterus — instead of completing the journey to the uterus. Approximately 2% of pregnancies are tubal pregnancies.

An ectopic pregnancy can't proceed normally. The fertilized egg can't survive, and the growing tissue may cause life-threatening bleeding, if left untreated.

You may not notice any symptoms at first. But as the fertilized egg grows in the improper place, the signs and symptoms become more noticeable.

Often, the first warning signs of an ectopic pregnancy are light vaginal bleeding and pelvic pain. If blood leaks from the fallopian tube, you may feel shoulder pain or an urge to have a bowel movement. The specific symptoms depend on where the blood collects and which nerves are irritated.

If the fertilized egg continues to grow in the fallopian tube, it can cause the tube to rupture. Heavy bleeding inside the abdomen is likely. Symptoms of thislife-threatening eventinclude extreme lightheadedness, fainting and shock.

Women should always seekemergency medical helpif we have any signs or symptoms of an ectopic pregnancy, including:

Severe abdominal or pelvic pain accompanied by vaginal bleeding
Extreme lightheadedness or fainting
Shoulder pain

If untreated, tubal pregnancies can be fatal, which isn't surprising - body parts in your torsorupturingis generally bad for one's health. Googling just now told me that "bleeding from ectopic pregnancy causes 10% of all pregnancy-related deaths, and it's the leading cause of first-trimester maternal death."

But in Malta, once you have got to the hospital, and your tubal pregnancy has been spotted, a salpingectomy — the surgical removal of a fallopian tube — is subject to medical gatekeeping, and the procedure must be authorised. Isn't that horrendous?

But let us revisit the article in Prospect Magazine, and this segment from Robin White.

Yes. The 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) provides for a medically-based, panel-assessed gender recognition process. It is almost two decades old, and means that we are falling behind other liberal western democracies. Putting the process online and reducing the fee as the government has pledged to do are all very well—except that those on low incomes were already exempt. The UK process still requires expensive medical reports and extensive data-gathering. Malta, France and Ireland have self-declaration and make it work perfectly well.

If I am parsing this right, Malta is being held up here as a liberal western democracy for not requiring any medical reports. The republic that has more stringent gatekeeping for female people requiring lifesaving operations than it does on male people wishing to access female spaces.

I think my phrasing would have been "misogynistic western republic"...

So here on MN, we are often accused of allying with the religious right for knowing that mammals, including humans, are male or female and cannot change sex. That's what's Orinoco is doing now.

What, pray tell, is Malta? It's hardly secular. As you may have guessed from its legislation, it is a very religious country. According to surveys, 90% of residents are Catholic and the official state religion (!) is Roman Catholicism! In fact, until 2011, you couldn't get divorced in Malta. You had to go abroad (divorces obtained abroad were recognised in Malta) or seek a church annulment of your marriage, in the style of Henry VIII of England. (And we should all know how frustrating he found the process of having to obtain church permission to divorce.)

That's just over a decade ago!

But now they have self-ID, they're being held up as a model for the rest of Europe, and trans activists don't care how awful the principality is for women.

As is usual. If Putin came out for trans activism, I doubt any activists in the West would care about the human rights abuses he's permitted.

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’

Only if you don't understand what gender critical actually is. I don't know any who wish harm on trans people, but their need for validation shouldn't trump the rights of women and girls. Not to mention that gender stereotypes are harmful and repressive, personally i think if people were that concerned about people living as their true selves they'd be keen to dismantle them rather than reinforce them; but that's not what it's truly about is it. Why aren't people pushing for people to be a proud transwoman or transman anyway? What's wrong with pushing for more support for children who are struggling rather than endorsing body altering drugs that have repercussions on the rest of their life before their brains are fully formed? What's wrong with 3rd spaces- often the argument is around well who cares what genitalia someone has when using the bathroom, well why doesn't that go both ways then? Refuges and the like- well a transwoman for example who is being abused should have access to a safe space, but their needs and experiences are going to be different to a biological woman who has fled abuse; so why the need to demand the right to impinge on these spaces just for validation? The list goes on. People don't want trans people to have their lives made harder, but that shouldn't include taking away the rights of another group who need them.

Also I think the point a lot who are revelling in this on twitter are missing is that he isn't endorsing an outrageous view, this is what he said last year when asked about his thoughts:

adhered to the traditional approach – a woman is a woman, a man is a man, a mother is a mother, a father is a father

He is speaking biological reality, there is absolutely nothing controversial about his view- its not ridiculous its fact, and so doesn't mean any of his other views, which are not rooted in fact, are linked. Imagine asking people a few decades back, or even today in many parts of the world what they thought of the above statement- it would be a resounding well yes of course, why do you need to point this out.

Now deleted. Maybe someone in the Guildford Lib Dems realised that this was a particularly vile comparison

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/gender-wars-two-opposing-perspectives-on-the-trans-and-womens-rights-debate

This essay is one in a long line of examples of a trans activist holding Malta up as a shining beacon because it has self-declaration for trans people.

Let's talk about what else it has.

Malta has some of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the world and is the only country in the European Union to prohibit abortion entirely. Even the (lifesaving!) treatment of tube removal after an ectopic pregnancy (which constitutes an indirect abortion) is only allowed on a policy of case-by-case decisions.

Generous of them, hmm?

There was some coverage in the press last year about how that policy meant there was a delay of over two days (while they waited for authorisation) before the termination for one woman's ectopic pregnancy could be carried out. It's not like time could be of the essence or anything, is it? Not like fallopian tubes can rupture.

A Maltese doctors for life group defended the policy with the very convincing rebuttal that no pregnant woman in Malta had lost her life due to an ectopic pregnancy/tubal pregnancy for the past 10 years.

To that, I say,
i) that implies that one or more died before that timeframe, and;
ii) how many lost the tube due to rupture while waiting for the procedure?
iii) how many women had to suffer, both physically and emotionally, for an unnecessary period of time while waiting for authorisation to be given?

This is the text of the legislation.

Whosoever, by any food, drink, medicine, or by violence, or by any other means whatsoever, shall cause the miscarriage of any woman with child, whether the woman be consenting or not, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from18 months to three years. [Bold mine]

The same punishment shall be awarded against any woman who shall procure her own miscarriage,or who shall have consented to the use of the means by which the miscarriage is procured. [Bold mine]

Any physician, surgeon, obstetrician, or apothecary, who shall have knowingly prescribed or administered the means whereby the miscarriage is procured, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from eighteen months to four years, and to perpetual interdiction from the exercise of his profession.

Yup, that's right. Women can go to prison for having a termination.

You can read more about Malta, pinnacle of human rights, here. www.voiceforchoice.mt/abortion-law

If I may, I'd like to discuss tubal pregnancies a little more.

For those who aren't already fully aware, perhaps because the information has never been relevant to their bodies, a tubal pregnancy happens when a fertilized egg implants (gets permanently stuck) in the fallopian tube — the passage twixt ovary and uterus — instead of completing the journey to the uterus. Approximately 2% of pregnancies are tubal pregnancies.

An ectopic pregnancy can't proceed normally. The fertilized egg can't survive, and the growing tissue may cause life-threatening bleeding, if left untreated.

You may not notice any symptoms at first. But as the fertilized egg grows in the improper place, the signs and symptoms become more noticeable.

Often, the first warning signs of an ectopic pregnancy are light vaginal bleeding and pelvic pain. If blood leaks from the fallopian tube, you may feel shoulder pain or an urge to have a bowel movement. The specific symptoms depend on where the blood collects and which nerves are irritated.

If the fertilized egg continues to grow in the fallopian tube, it can cause the tube to rupture. Heavy bleeding inside the abdomen is likely. Symptoms of thislife-threatening eventinclude extreme lightheadedness, fainting and shock.

Women should always seekemergency medical helpif we have any signs or symptoms of an ectopic pregnancy, including:

Severe abdominal or pelvic pain accompanied by vaginal bleeding
Extreme lightheadedness or fainting
Shoulder pain

If untreated, tubal pregnancies can be fatal, which isn't surprising - body parts in your torsorupturingis generally bad for one's health. Googling just now told me that "bleeding from ectopic pregnancy causes 10% of all pregnancy-related deaths, and it's the leading cause of first-trimester maternal death."

But in Malta, once you have got to the hospital, and your tubal pregnancy has been spotted, a salpingectomy — the surgical removal of a fallopian tube — is subject to medical gatekeeping, and the procedure must be authorised. Isn't that horrendous?

But let us revisit the article in Prospect Magazine, and this segment from Robin White.

Yes. The 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) provides for a medically-based, panel-assessed gender recognition process. It is almost two decades old, and means that we are falling behind other liberal western democracies. Putting the process online and reducing the fee as the government has pledged to do are all very well—except that those on low incomes were already exempt. The UK process still requires expensive medical reports and extensive data-gathering. Malta, France and Ireland have self-declaration and make it work perfectly well.

If I am parsing this right, Malta is being held up here as a liberal western democracy for not requiring any medical reports. The republic that has more stringent gatekeeping for female people requiring lifesaving operations than it does on male people wishing to access female spaces.

I think my phrasing would have been "misogynistic western republic"...

So here on MN, we are often accused of allying with the religious right for knowing that mammals, including humans, are male or female and cannot change sex. That's what's Orinoco is doing now.

What, pray tell, is Malta? It's hardly secular. As you may have guessed from its legislation, it is a very religious country. According to surveys, 90% of residents are Catholic and the official state religion (!) is Roman Catholicism! In fact, until 2011, you couldn't get divorced in Malta. You had to go abroad (divorces obtained abroad were recognised in Malta) or seek a church annulment of your marriage, in the style of Henry VIII of England. (And we should all know how frustrating he found the process of having to obtain church permission to divorce.)

That's just over a decade ago!

But now they have self-ID, they're being held up as a model for the rest of Europe, and trans activists don't care how awful the principality is for women.

As is usual. If Putin came out for trans activism, I doubt any activists in the West would care about the human rights abuses he's permitted.

God I love you.

The other thing that Orinoco is missing, along with all the others, is that we KNOW oppressors of women know what women are and that's precisely why we need sex bases rights. Because oppression of women, like this, is sex based. Nobody flaps around babbling about differences of sexual development and assigned gender at birth and not knowing what a woman is when they want to control female fertility. They know. So it doesn't help when our liberal saviours claim not to.

You know who's on the side of the oppressors, Orinoco? You and your barmy army. If you had your way, and if you're telling the truth of your perception, you wouldn't even notice this in Malta because it would never have a chance of affecting many "women". Don't you think the authors of thus legislation would love it if their opponents don't even know what a woman is? As PoP says, don't you think it's telling that they'll let males freely into women's spaces before they let women have lifesaving surgery?

Do you not see that since your ideology, which has demonstrably harmed women, became the only indicator for apparent liberalism, it's become even easier to fuck women over and have nobody notice, because you're so progressive?

Agreeing with your enemies when they use nouns that are factually correct does not mean you ally with them. It means you're at least as smart as they are, and you know what they're doing.

These people don't even realise what's happened now. An evil man has tried to liken himself to a woman who was unjustly pilloried for speaking truth, and the barmy army is STILL taking it as an opportunity to attack the woman further.

And they think it makes them progressive liberals.

They've pulled a blinder here. The level of cognitive dissonance, misplaced self-aggrandisement (this is frequently about one's own self image as a progressive and wonderful person rather than what actually makes a truly inclusive world) and usefull idiocy is astounding. But what do you expect when it's only women's rights at stake? Yoko Ono was right.

Hitler: I know what a Jew is. I'll gas them.

Oskar Schindler: I know what a Jew is. I'll save 1200 of them.

Barmy army: YOU AGREE WITH HITLER! YOU ARE LIKE HIM! By the way, what's a Jew?

Male rapists are in women's prisons, women have been murdered and beaten, women's meetings have been attacked by angry mobs, women are getting death and rape threats, women are losing their jobs. 2 major violent incidents against women in the last few days in Manchester. I'm a carer and not only have transactivists gone after someone with the same name as me to try to get her sacked on several different occasions they have even gone after one of my clients. I suppose it's a get-out clause: 'I didn't do it Miss, it was that big boy Putin.'

I'd best point out it was all twitter activists that went after me and my client, no one I know irl has any time for this, we're working class and right now transactivism is a niche middle-class status issue which is why certain sillier sectors of the political classes have been captured.

@Alltheprettyseahorses

I'd best point out it was all twitter activists that went after me and my client, no one I know irl has any time for this, we're working class and right now transactivism is a niche middle-class status issue which is why certain sillier sectors of the political classes have been captured.

So agree.

Never trust vegetarians. Hitler was a vegetarian.

That's the level of thinking some of these idiots are working at.

Quite Bellini - see this cuntery for example

twitter.com/poiitics4all/status/1507396100054994947?s=21&t=OQ3S7hn11E_uFXKFSY8x8A

@Quaggars

We're all endorsed by Putin now are we?

I don't think anyone has said that to be fair

Ah but I thought that's how it goes isn't it? That's why all those nasty wimmins can be waved away and dismissed as right wing, because some right wing people happen to agree on this particular subject, so we must agree on everything else they do right When in reality a lot of us are more left leaning, but it's nasty women whose views we don't like, so don't let that get in the way of a good smearing.

It won't take anything for the Twitter witch hunt massive to go look everyone, JKR is endorsed by Putin, therefore anyone with the same views as her is the same too.

Nope, doesn't matter she's donating to and stands by Ukraine, TRA twitter will milk this for all it's worth. That tweet by shitweasel Felton, for example. "Endorsed", in black and white. Don't pretend it won't be inferred.

I've unfollowed Felton. A shame, because he is funny, but this is no joke. Glad I never bought any of his books.

And Rowling is funnier anyway.

Some brilliant posts on here thank you. lifeturnsonadime also nailed it with Just another example of blaming women for the actions of men.
JKR is more than clever enough to navigate this latest assault on her integrity.

Felton seems to have fixed his anti-Rowling tweets so that only people he follows or mentions can reply. His other tweets aren't fixed that way.

What are you scared of, Jim? Two years of death and rape threats, misandristic abuse and people gathering outside your family home to intimidate you?

we're working class and right now transactivism is a niche middle-class status issue which is why certain sillier sectors of the political classes have been captured.

And academia, the media, etc etc etc anywhere middle/upper class people gather and run things - and that's pretty much everything, hence we are where we are.

I visit this board most days and I'm often reminded of this scene from what What We Do In The Shadows.

Energy vampire on social media

@BootsAndRoots

I'm still at a loss at how Putin's plan of distracting Twitter users is going to help his invasion?

Twitter is banned in Russia, and I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian army isn't looking at Twitter on the battlefield.

Sow dissent, weaken the west. Fairly standard tactics.

Feminists have always been accused of aligning with the right wing. In the 70s and 80s Andrea Dworkin and Catherine mackinnon endured a lot of criticism from the political left because of their opposition to pornography. Because the right wing didn’t like porn very much, these radical feminists were said to be allies of conservatives.

The problem with this argument is the motivations of the two groups are completely different. The American right wanted to ban pornography because it was immoral, because it went against their religion, because it led men astray. The rad fems wanted to ban porn not to uphold some patriarchal standard of femininity, but because it was harmful to women.

Feminism sometimes aligns with right or left ideology but for entirely different reasons. In this case , Putin doesn’t like gender or trans rights because it threatens his patriarchal, male dominated view of society. It is destabilising and corrupting, in his eyes. But rad fems dislike gender ideology because it harms women- because it undermines women’s rights and causes harm to women and girls (such as women losing in sports to males, rape victims having to attend group therapy with males etc).

Ian Dunt right on the money, as usual. Thank you, Ian.

All the usual suspects on Twitter practically having a collective orgasm.

They are utterly ridiculous, as are some of the posts on this thread.

Felton seems to have fixed his anti-Rowling tweets so that only people he follows or mentions can reply. His other tweets aren't fixed that way.

Yes, he likes doing that, because he's a slimy little coward.