JKR being burned again thanks to Putin

[Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]

Twitter is awash with blue ticks doing lots of “JKR is on a level with putin” and sky news have helpfully amplified it

t.co/6mhxE2Wvee

All the usual suspects on Twitter practically having a collective orgasm. They really think this Vlad wind up is a massive game changer. Millions of women will wake up and think ' wait...are we the baddies?' They will invite trans into their spaces. We have all learned an important lesson today, haven't we Dougal?

@orinocosfavoritecake

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’.

Not by people who are actually gender critical though.

I wish Putin would fund me. I'm having to fit in campaigning about women's right to single-sex prisons (did you know that there are women in prison who have committed no crime who are there because it was supposed to be a "safe place" ) and hospital wards out of my own money and time.

And I do this along with general social obligations like donating to the food bank, and community projects. Also out of my own money.

Putin hasn't paid me a bent copper.

@Abhannmor

All the usual suspects on Twitter practically having a collective orgasm. They really think this Vlad wind up is a massive game changer. Millions of women will wake up and think ' wait...are we the baddies?' They will invite trans into their spaces. We have all learned an important lesson today, haven't we Dougal?

They think everyone is as stupid and lacking in critical thinking as they are. Not a one of them has decent arguments: it's all finger-wagging, name-calling and shaming tactics which are not working

@orinocosfavoritecake

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’.

9th Rule of Misogyny - men always know the 'real reasons' for everything women do and say.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I wish Putin would fund me. I'm having to fit in campaigning about women's right to single-sex prisons (did you know that there are women in prison who have committed no crime who are there because it was supposed to be a "safe place" ) and hospital wards out of my own money and time.

And I do this along with general social obligations like donating to the food bank, and community projects. Also out of my own money.

Putin hasn't paid me a bent copper.

Ikr? I'm still terfing for free.

Worrafackingliberty, etc.

@orinocosfavoritecake

But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’.

No. Gender critical means someone who is critical of the concept of gendered roles, gender stereotypes, and gender-based norms for which types of personality traits are acceptable for people who either biologically female or biologically male.

All those aspects of gender are used to keep the female sex down, and that is why we are critical of them.

The terms transphobic and anti-trans have experienced the kind of inflation where they no longer mean what they were intended to mean. The only way not to be called transphobic or anti-trans is to obey every demand from trans activists irrespective of its meaning. In particular, any attempt to hold onto one's own embodied gender identity as a woman or as a man is immediately stamped as transphobic and anti-trans.

This means that women whose identities ARE embodied are stripped of their gender identity as that cannot be based on living in a sexed body. This, in my books, truly is misogyny.

Orinoco
But that isn’t what gender critical means - it might have been the original intention, but usage has turned the phrase into a polite way of saying ‘anti-trans’

You are currently on a feminism forum. Your claims about what gender-critical as a term has turned into elsewhere are utterly, completely, perfectly and indubitably irrelevant.

You are on MN and you have been told what it means here. Otherwise, you may as well try to have an argument with mumsnetters over what the word "rubber" means when we're discussing stationery, with reference to American anecdotes.

You are on MN and you have been told what it means here.
Ooh.
That's you told well and proper.
What it means '' here''?
What, does it have a different meaning here to everywhere else?

Is JKR discussed in the US as much as she is here?

Cos if so that's a bit we don't care what it means, we'll make our own version.
It can mean what you say, yes I agree but you can't deny it does encompass what the other poster is saying too.

Every bad force unites against women.

does it have a different meaning here to everywhere else?

Not that I'm aware of, but orinoco seems to think it has a different meaning elsewhere (but I'm not sure where exactly).

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

@Quaggars

Cos if so that's a bit we don't care what it means, we'll make our own version. It can mean what you say, yes I agree but you can't deny it does encompass what the other poster is saying too.

I do not care if Orinoco goes places where it means anti-trans.

Orinoco can either go there, and communicate with these other people on that shared basis, or have a conversation here, accepting that we are not Orinco's other stomping ground.

Otherwise, it is just going to be Orinoco doing the equivalent of saying over and over again on a UK Back-to-School thread that she thinks it's inappropriate to put barrier contraception in pencilcases, when we are talking about the small implements used to erase work done in pencil.

After a while, you realise the person doing such a thing is either very stupid, or trolling.

I'm still at a loss at how Putin's plan of distracting Twitter users is going to help his invasion?

Twitter is banned in Russia, and I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian army isn't looking at Twitter on the battlefield.

@Quaggars

Cos if so that's a bit we don't care what it means, we'll make our own version. It can mean what you say, yes I agree but you can't deny it does encompass what the other poster is saying too.

Well no Humpty, that's not how it works.

Gender Critical people came up with the term to describe themselves. Another group has come along and tried to change the meaning of the term so they can force harness (hats off to the inventor of that term btw) us with people who aren't actually critical of gender at all. As another poster said, people like Putin bloody love gender!

If you mean transphobic, just say transphobic and stop being so snakey.

@BootsAndRoots

I'm still at a loss at how Putin's plan of distracting Twitter users is going to help his invasion?

Twitter is banned in Russia, and I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian army isn't looking at Twitter on the battlefield.

It might stop twitter users doing irritating things like donating to Lumos, and asking their government to support Ukraine. I think that's the idea.

@BootsAndRoots

I'm still at a loss at how Putin's plan of distracting Twitter users is going to help his invasion?

Twitter is banned in Russia, and I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian army isn't looking at Twitter on the battlefield.

The idea is to weaken the West by sowing discord. He has done this many times in the past. At one point (and probably also today) there was a factory-type place where people good at English sat at their computers intervening on social media with US elections and the like. His overall idea is to wear everyone out on this side of the issues and to drive wedges between different groups.

I may have invented the forced harness term???

Can't find it on Google, but will give credit to whoever may have used it first. I doubt I invented it but it's not completely impossible.

Agree, @PurgatoryOfPotholes - if 11% of people in industrialised countries are on twitter, it seems small but it's actually big. Influence them and you can rock states.

I'd double dare him on MN though, din't MI6 try and recruit from here years ago? Full of Carrie's on here, I reckon.

(the CIA homeland type, not B+Q wallpapering type)

@nauticant

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

AKA post-modernism. Twatty bullshit that it is.

We're all endorsed by Putin now are we? FFS. I've only just caught up on this but oh my, the number of blue tick absolute fucking nobodies shitting on JKR to give them the most likes and attention they've ever had in their sad little lives is an annoying sight.

Every little scrap that they can twist and turn, they gleefully latch onto so they can stick the boot in some more. It's hateful, it's pathetic, and they all need to grow the fuck up.

Right, I've had a long day and now I'm cross. Off to bed.

We're all endorsed by Putin now are we?

I don't think anyone has said that to be fair