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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Spousal Exit Clause: Great news for trans widows

153 replies

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:25

Great news for trans widows, and a vindication of the arguments made by Trans Widows Voices, against the lies and misrepresentations told about the "spousal veto"

Excerpt from the governments response to the Women and Equalities Commission report on reform of the GRA:

  1. A marriage or civil partnership is a contract between two individuals, the nature of which cannot be changed without the consent of both parties. For this reason, we considerit is equitable for the "spousal consent" requirement to remain in place.
  2. Spousal consent does not mean that a spouse can prevent their partner from securing a GRC. It is a safeguard for the non-transitioning spouse to decide whether they want their marriage or civil partnership to continue before their partner is granted a GRC. It is right that both parties should have an equal say in the future of their marriage or civilpartnership, given transition can fundamentally change its nature.
  3. More widely, we anticipate that the Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020, which comes into force later this year, will help to reduce conflict in such circumstances

Initial response from Trans Widows Voices here:

twitter.com/transwidows/status/1506989440975134726?s=21

Full report here:

committees.parliament.uk/publications/9415/documents/161226/default/

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BettyFilous · 24/03/2022 14:27

Well done Tinsel & colleagues. 👏

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:29

I'm a bit over excited!

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334bu · 24/03/2022 14:30

Well doneWine

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 14:30

Oh that's fantastic. Well done ThanksWine

Zerogravity · 24/03/2022 14:32

Brilliant! Well done, Tinsel.

PronounssheRa · 24/03/2022 14:33

Wow, well done 👏

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 24/03/2022 14:33

That's fantastic Tinsel

Bowednotbroken · 24/03/2022 14:35

Great news. Well done Tinsel.

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:35

And to all the people and organisations on here and (mostly) elsewhere who lied that it is a veto I would like to say a massive personal FUCK YOU, from me. Grin

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GrinitchSpinach · 24/03/2022 14:35

🍾🥂

MoltenLasagne · 24/03/2022 14:35

Great work - I'm sure it must be such a relief for you too.

MoltenLasagne · 24/03/2022 14:36

@TinselAngel

And to all the people and organisations on here and (mostly) elsewhere who lied that it is a veto I would like to say a massive personal FUCK YOU, from me. Grin
Seconded!
TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:36

Sorry it had to come out, I'm being gracious elsewhere.

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Fairislefandango · 24/03/2022 14:37

Brilliant news. I have no skin in the game, but have read the trans widows threads and been horrified for you all. Well done indeed!

EricCartmansMagicalUnderpants · 24/03/2022 14:38

That's good news. Well done.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 24/03/2022 14:38

@Fairislefandango

Brilliant news. I have no skin in the game, but have read the trans widows threads and been horrified for you all. Well done indeed!
Same here - I've read a lot of Tinsel's posts in particular and am so pleased for you.
SamphiretheStickerist · 24/03/2022 14:40

Good grief. Common sense triumphs. That is exactly what should be in place. Nobody denied or forced into anything.

Congratulations @TinselAngel

Sodding well done!

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/03/2022 14:43

Well done Tinsel and co, this is brilliant news Flowers

And to all the people and organisations on here and (mostly) elsewhere who lied that it is a veto I would like to say a massive personal FUCK YOU, from me

🥂

tabbycatstripy · 24/03/2022 14:44

This is great.

RufusthefIorallovingreindeer · 24/03/2022 14:46

Fantastic!

Very well done 🌺

tabbycatstripy · 24/03/2022 14:47

Nokes not very happy:

'In December, after over a year of consultation with a wide range of voices, we called on the Government to enact real, meaningful change to the gender recognition process. Its response makes clear that it is not prepared to go anywhere near far enough, but there is some movement in the right direction.

"Moving closer to a system of self-declaration and away from the currently over-medicalised process of gender transition would have given transgender people the dignity and respect they deserve. I am disappointed that the Government is unwilling to take simple steps- such as the removal of the requirement to live as a stereotype in an acquired gender, or the requirement for a 'gender dysphoria' diagnosis- to move the GRA into the modern day.

"We will monitor the progress of the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill with interest. Other parts of the UK are moving forward- Westminster needs to do the same. I hope that the small admissions made by the Government in its response indicate that further reform will come- albeit at a far slower pace than is right.'

Helleofabore · 24/03/2022 14:48

Flowers for tinsel.

Great work.

Tiphaine · 24/03/2022 14:48

Great news TinselAngel! I saw this earlier and thought it sounded good, but IANAL so I'm pleased to get confirmation from you that it's as I thought. Glad you've been vindicated too Thanks

TinselAngel · 24/03/2022 14:49

@tabbycatstripy

Nokes not very happy:

'In December, after over a year of consultation with a wide range of voices, we called on the Government to enact real, meaningful change to the gender recognition process. Its response makes clear that it is not prepared to go anywhere near far enough, but there is some movement in the right direction.

"Moving closer to a system of self-declaration and away from the currently over-medicalised process of gender transition would have given transgender people the dignity and respect they deserve. I am disappointed that the Government is unwilling to take simple steps- such as the removal of the requirement to live as a stereotype in an acquired gender, or the requirement for a 'gender dysphoria' diagnosis- to move the GRA into the modern day.

"We will monitor the progress of the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill with interest. Other parts of the UK are moving forward- Westminster needs to do the same. I hope that the small admissions made by the Government in its response indicate that further reform will come- albeit at a far slower pace than is right.'

Oh dear. What a pity. Never mind.
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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 24/03/2022 14:51

I've never understood why they want to force someone to remain married to them.
Unless its control.