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Some bearded American pillocks are objecting to the idea of Mumsnetters talking about feminism. Hadley Freeman and other feminists are doing an excellent job of responding.

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Ultimately we are the canaries in the mine, and we ain’t going to stop singing.

Lesbians were the first canaries in the coal mine who sang about this and brought it to wider attention amongst women, regrettably it took far too long for the song they were singing to be heard and recognised.

Yy, women and children are the prize.

@Brefugee

MNHQ has a habit of moving any trans issues to the feminism boards so it becomes skewed. Feminism on Mumsnet isn't restricted to trans issues, it's just that the boards aren't used in the way these Twitter users think. Plenty of feminism related topics all over the site.

perhaps we should ask them to get moved onto the feminism boards? It bugs me that it is full of trans stuff which doesn't interest me as much as things like the gender pay gap and the things that Invisible Women covers

I posted a thread about the fact 6 out of 10 working single mums dont qualify for the workplace pension.

and mumsnet moved it I have no idea where they moved it to.

I put it in feminism, sex and gender because its due to sex, the rules for the workplace pension scheme where designed based on male patterns of employment, not womens and women make up the majority of part time workers (I think its 86%) due to the burden of childcare/elderlycare/partnercare falling disproportionately on women.

Maybe Mumsnet are twitchy about Trans issues being 'Criticised' by genuinely concerned 'People' because they rely heavily on advertising?

Have you heard that Putin has just compared himself to J K Rowling? What a bizarre twist.

news.sky.com/story/jk-rowling-cited-by-vladimir-putin-as-he-accuses-the-west-of-trying-to-cancel-russia-12574823

[quote ScrollingLeaves]Have you heard that Putin has just compared himself to J K Rowling? What a bizarre twist.

news.sky.com/story/jk-rowling-cited-by-vladimir-putin-as-he-accuses-the-west-of-trying-to-cancel-russia-12574823[/quote]
Well there's a thread on it and people are mentioning it as if it says anything about JKR rather than Putin who is prone to florid comparisons for himself and his actions so I doubt there's anyone who ascribes any relevance to it…

@Geezabreak82

Mumsnet users can execute an effective lobby though. I used to work for a public sector organisation and we started to receive letters from all over about the use of the term 'gender' in our equalities monitoring. There were so many letters it was obviously coordinated, and we eventually worked out that was happening on a thread on the feminism boards here. The issue wasn't even on our agenda until that campaign started so users do have power and influence when they work together. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing by any means, but having been on the receiving end of it, it is definitely a thing.

Good to know!

Well there's a thread on it and people are mentioning it as if it says anything about JKR rather than Putin who is prone to florid comparisons for himself and his actions so I doubt there's anyone who ascribes any relevance to it…

There are some people who are at least pretending to. Playing right into Putin's hands, of course. Typical Russian disinformation stuff, trying to divide and distract. The UK is pretty unified at the moment in our views on Ukraine and Russia, and for all that we could do a lot more on refugees we're providing significant military help. Putin would love to see this consensus collapse.

@PermanentTemporary
Hadn’t considered this. I take 7 different meds everyday & have believed I need them! After reading about the puberty blocker lies I’ve lost complete faith in all of it. The meds, the research, the doctors, therapist, schools, all of it.

I wouldnt lose faith entirely. The reason we know research on puberty blockers is limited, particularly on females, is because we can compare it with other research. Look at the NICE guidelines for your condition and talk to your doctors.

And just today in AIBU there is yet another woman who cannot afford to work because childcare in the UK is so expensive she will only just break even for 1-2 years at a minimum.
When people (women) point out that it should be a shared cost (50-50) with the father, it gets some traction but not much.

It is usually the mothers that stay at home. Not always, I know, but usually.

Many other countries in Europe have heavily subsidised childcare for precisely this reason: for both parents to be able to choose to work.

Note: this is NOT a bashing of SAHM or SAHF. Lord knows I was one myself for many years. But the fact of the matter is that it leaves you in a very vulnerable position should you be unlucky with your choice of partner.

Mumsnet has helped countless women in this position by giving advice and information. And many women have only escaped their situations by going to Women’s Refuges.
These Refuges must be allowed to be single sex, as we know, because of the abuse suffered by these women. That is not a phobic thing to say. It is not a belief either. It is a fact of life. And it is a fact of life because of the violence acted out by men.

Jeez. That this has to be stated again and again is just mindboggling. And extra so in light of the events outside a Women’s meeting in Manchester last night.

I really must knit that chinholder, fashion be damned!

“LostTxn

@PermanentTemporary
Hadn’t considered this. I take 7 different meds everyday & have believed I need them! After reading about the puberty blocker lies I’ve lost complete faith in all of it. The meds, the research, the doctors, therapist, schools, all of it.“

I know just what you mean.

Thank you for being reasonable. I’ve lost the ability for the moment 😆

@PermanentTemporary

I wouldnt lose faith entirely. The reason we know research on puberty blockers is limited, particularly on females, is because we can compare it with other research. Look at the NICE guidelines for your condition and talk to your doctors.

According to Jabeela Jamil, all the girls in her school were on them, remember? 😌

Who here really gives a shiny shit what that vile creature Putin says about anyone? He is mad & a man !

And just today in AIBU there is yet another woman who cannot afford to work because childcare in the UK is so expensive she will only just break even for 1-2 years at a minimum.
When people (women) point out that it should be a shared cost (50-50) with the father, it gets some traction but not much.

That's not even the worst of it. We don't know if she'll be ok, but i am glad to see in that thread that plenty of people are pointing out that it may even be a short term loss, but long term? She will be keeping her place in the workforce, potentially setting herself up for future promotions and more money, pension etc etc. Because the sad fact is we see so many posts - far far far too many - where a SAHM suddenly finds herself stuck as a single parent of 2 young children with no job prospects, poor pension prospects and when we point out it is better to at least try to be financially independent we get accused of reducing everything to money or saying men are all bastards who will leave you at the drop of a hat.

And because of posts and threads like that, it actually infuriates me that there has to be a hidden away Feminism section. Because everything comes down to equality in the end, and that is feminism. It applies to all the boards (maybe not the pet ones?)

@DameHelena

Just been blocked on Twitter by someone who stated that 'you just know' that if third spaces for trans people were created, Mumsnet would immediately be screaming for funding for them to be given to women's services instead. Politely said if you (dare) look at Mumsnet you'd see much advocacy for third spaces and funding for them. When they replied 'Not gonna do that' and I said 'Pity' they could 'not allow' me to follow them any more. Pathetically scared of seeing anything that doesn't fit the false narrative.

on the plus side the more these people cut others out of their lives over every tiny thing, the smaller these groups will become.

the best movements, the ones that create real lasting change for the better are the ones that work on solidarity with all due to a few shared interests/oppression, but maintaining freedom of expression and free thought, a broad church such as the trade unions.

not fascists doctrine of toe the line on every tiny element of thought or be cast asunder, thats not the actions of a political movement its the actions of a cult.

Geezabreak82
Mumsnet users can execute an effective lobby though. I used to work for a public sector organisation and we started to receive letters from all over about the use of the term 'gender' in our equalities monitoring. There were so many letters it was obviously coordinated, and we eventually worked out that was happening on a thread on the feminism boards here. The issue wasn't even on our agenda until that campaign started so users do have power and influence when they work together. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing by any means, but having been on the receiving end of it, it is definitely a thing.

That IS good to hear!

What we discuss here is reasonable and evidenced (exhaustively by mners, special mention to R0wantrees too.

The more who read what we are "wittering on about" and think, well, actually that's very reasonable and agree the harm in gender ideology policies is concerning, the better.

@DomesticatedZombie

I am continually perplexed by the Anglophone divergence on transphobia. Why is there so much more TERF representation in the UK elite than in their US and Canadian peers?

Parklife.

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I missed that one. Thank you ❤️

@Calennig

women are the gatekeepers to the children.

Given the shear number of high profile safeguarding scandels we've had in the UK - Rochdale and all the others, BBC and Savile and others, Sodem murders involving school support staff - and all the rest which are in our national press often for months and do sear themsleves across our colletive conciousness and how frequent concern were raised and not dealt with - I suspect MN and safeguarding awareness just reflects UK society and UK parenting concerns.

Also suspect it's just easier to blame a predominately female website than try and understand UK society.

I don't think I was ever taught about suffragettes in school or about the equal pay act and fight but I certainly picked up idea that our rights were hard won and a bit about them from TV,radio books odd new paper article. DD1 knew about then but found in a big anniversay year many of her year group had never heard of them.

If they don't know that even in our society women's rights aren't a given and were fiercely fought for perhaps that's why the don't see the implications to losing words like woman and female.

I didnt know about the fight for public toilets, the rape in marriage act, the fact not all women won the vote at the same time, the fact shooting (I am not sure what kind I forget) was a unisex olympic sport until a woman won gold, then they divided it into mens and womens catagories to make sure a woman couldnt dominate it again.

I only found all that out when I decided to " go educate" myself about Hubbard in the Olympics, (I also didnt know how late things like womens weightlifting were added compared to the mens event).

I am GC and proud to educate any ignorant idiot with or without a beard who spouts nonsense about a subset of males being the most oppressed or calls me a dinosaur hoarding rights.

I spent a couple of hours on Twitter yesterday, reading this and a long debate about the erasure of all words meaning a biological woman.

Matthew Yglesias (who also used to work for Vox as Beauchamp still does) argued that the recent changes (menstruators, birthing people, vagina-owners) are just a natural change in the language we use. He got very good pushback, however, and the majority pointed out that there is nothing natural in authoritarian rule from above by a small group that the word 'woman' from now on must mean " likes sparkles, pink, and being choked and slapped in bed." The erasure of the female sex was also pointed out.

Elsewhere this was supposedly done by nasty white cishet Karens whom the left is allowed to openly despise.

That visit reminded me of the reasons why I stopped participating on Twitter. But hasn't it gotten so much worse and more vicious in just one year!

But hasn't it gotten so much worse and more vicious in just one year!

It has. It's scarily batshit at the moment.

Matthew Yglesias (who also used to work for Vox as Beauchamp still does) argued that the recent changes (menstruators, birthing people, vagina-owners) are just a natural change in the language we use. He got very good pushback, however, and the majority pointed out that there is nothing natural in authoritarian rule from above by a small group that the word 'woman' from now on must mean " likes sparkles, pink, and being choked and slapped in bed." The erasure of the female sex was also pointed out.

Not to mention that it doesn't happen to men, does it? We're not seeing ejaculators, prostate havers, testicle owners.

Although we are seeing a lot of wankers.

Although we are seeing a lot of wankers.

Perfectly happy for that to be the collective inclusive noun for all biological males, tbh, misandrist harpy that I am. I am joking, mostly