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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 24/03/2022 09:53

Some bearded American pillocks are objecting to the idea of Mumsnetters talking about feminism. Hadley Freeman and other feminists are doing an excellent job of responding.

twitter.com/search?q=Mumsnet&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

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CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 19:17

In a similar spirit of "OMG, how daft was I?", I do believe my first response to someone suggesting I look up Mumsnet as a radical resource was "Why would I do that? I already know how to make jam..." There's Pride Goeth Before A Fall. And then there's that..

(Much ritual self-abasement to follow. And possibly a name-change...)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 19:18

I bet you got some other good jam recipes though Grin

VestofAbsurdity · 24/03/2022 19:28

I haven't lost any family and friends, thankfully they're not that silly and blinkered to drop me for a difference of opinion on exactly one political issue and we managed to get to a position where we agree to disagree, like adults

I haven't lost any family, friends (or acquaintances even) reason being they agree with me, some are even more vocal and give zero fucks about how they word their disagreement.

MiladyBerserko · 24/03/2022 19:29

"Some bearded American pillocks" really made me laugh.

Thanks OP

WinterTrees · 24/03/2022 19:31

Just scrolling through the twitter thread. It's probably been mentioned before but Joss Prior's hot take is that 'Mumsnet is Karen training college.'

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1506942282934726659

(I have typed out several thoughts about this but deleted them to save MN the bother.)

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 19:31

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I bet you got some other good jam recipes though Grin
Best. Jam. Ever. Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 19:34

Mumsnet is Karen training college

2/10 wouldn't watch again

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 19:34

Funnily enough, I don't feel the urge to explore Joss Prior's jam recipes at all..

Dendrite · 24/03/2022 19:48

Just don't spread the jam on a Weetabix, is all I'm saying.

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 19:55

I was too late to Mumsnet to have caught the legend that was LangCleg, but the tales of her only blemish (apparently) reverberate through these halls to this day. I've got to say I'd probably go off even Cate Blanchett a bit, if I had to look at that on the breakfast table every day...

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 19:56

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Mumsnet is Karen training college

2/10 wouldn't watch again

Alan Jacobs wrote a thought-provoking piece a while ago on exhausted languages . Jacob's challenge:

Anyway, when you do this kind of work you develop — or you damn well ought to develop — an awareness that many of our vocabularies are evanescent because of their highly limited explanatory power. You see, in a given discipline or topic area, one vocabulary coming on as another fades away, and you don’t expect the new one to last any longer than the previous one did. I think this makes it easier for you to consider the possibility that a whole explanatory language is basically useless. But while those languages last people get profoundly attached to them and are simply unwilling to question them — they become axioms for their users — which means that conversations cease to be conversations but rather turn into endlessly iterated restatements of quasi-religious conviction. “Intersecting monologues,” as Rebecca West said.

Often when I’m grading essays, or talking to my students about their essays, I notice that a certain set of terms are functioning axiomatically for them in ways that impede actual thought. When that happens I will sometimes ask, “How would you describe your position if you couldn’t use that word?” And I try to force the same discipline on myself on those occasions (too rare of course) when I realize that I am allowing a certain set of terms to become an intellectual crutch.

blog.ayjay.org/excerpts-from-my-sent-folder-on-exhausted-languages/

What would these self-styled elites do if they had to had to talk about those of us that they disdain without recourse to the exhausted and meaningless languages of Karen Nazis Bigots and Transphobes ?

Would they actually have to read through MN to determine how to describe us? Would they agree with Sarah Pedersen that we are subaltern counterpublics and to be celebrated? Would they begin to realise the many ways in which they're demonstrating their cultural purblindness?

HardyBuckette · 24/03/2022 20:17

@RobbieWeirdicht

Just checking in because I'd hate to be excluded from 'those pesky women' and welcome to our new American friends.

The poster upthread that mentioned a 'tax' on women purely to defend our rights is spot on. Most of us have donated our hard earned money to try to change outrageous rulings that if left unchallenged will see women back in the dark ages where we were seen as chattel.

I get round the woman tax problem by donating my husband's money.
Dendrite · 24/03/2022 20:30

@CompleteGinasaur
I too only ever heard the reverberations of that...episode. Like all great legends it lives on, stalking the halls of MN with its cereal-based menace.

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 20:41

The Americans invented Weetabix, didn't they? I wonder if LangCleg's cereal killer would be acceptable in its country of origin..

EmperorsNewClothesBS · 24/03/2022 20:42

Very confused about cereal!

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2022 20:44

OMG! I just googled, and Weetabix are Aussie! As you were..

ScrollingLeaves · 24/03/2022 21:01

America is the land of euphemisms, ads and
propaganda, with money-making at any cost behind it all. Lots of people get zombified by not thinking for themselves.

Their Democrat party, which many there see as practically communist, would not even be as left wing as our Conservatives. So they would not have the least understanding of the breadth of backgrounds able to discuss all sorts of subjects on Mumsnet in spite of their differences.

The U K accepts eccentricity and originality in spite of being apparently rigid. People think for themselves.

Terfydactyl · 24/03/2022 21:13

@EmperorsNewClothesBS

Very confused about cereal!
Don't ask, we wont tell. It's just too traumatising.

But lang Cleg had a hand in the discussion. The discussion then just went downhill from there.

PermanentTemporary · 24/03/2022 21:23

I'm not going to diss America. We're just not the same society. If you don't understand another society, you try and learn or you leave it alone.

DomesticatedZombie · 24/03/2022 21:31

@ScrollingLeaves

America is the land of euphemisms, ads and propaganda, with money-making at any cost behind it all. Lots of people get zombified by not thinking for themselves.

Their Democrat party, which many there see as practically communist, would not even be as left wing as our Conservatives. So they would not have the least understanding of the breadth of backgrounds able to discuss all sorts of subjects on Mumsnet in spite of their differences.

The U K accepts eccentricity and originality in spite of being apparently rigid. People think for themselves.

I'll hear no zombie slurs here, thank you.
Waitwhat23 · 24/03/2022 22:10

My conclusions so far after reading this thread -

I want a mug which says 'radicalised by Mumsnet'.

I really want a copy of 'Oi Twat'.

Loving the re-wording of Parklife.

And welcome to all the women from the US looking for a place to rationally discuss this stuff! This place is dismissed as 'silly mummies chatting about prams' in the same breath as 'dangerous Karens' because the idea of women discussing, debating and organising is simply unacceptable to the men's rights activism which is the basis of gender ideology.

TheUsualShitshow · 24/03/2022 22:24

I would like to thank the ill-educated bastards for introducing me to so many more of you via Twitter today.

You're all fucking brave and funny and sarcastic and smart and fabulous and I love you. ❤️

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 22:31

@TheUsualShitshow

I would like to thank the ill-educated bastards for introducing me to so many more of you via Twitter today.

You're all fucking brave and funny and sarcastic and smart and fabulous and I love you. ❤️

Sonia Sodha has a good thread. Grin

[It is interesting watching progressive Americans stroke their chins about what’s going on in nasty old Britain, as if we’re some sort of backwards swamp. Really speaks to the difference in our political cultures & their discombobulation at plurality within the British left.

Lord knows we’ve a lot of work to do in reducing inequalities and promoting rights, but I would politely suggest that we have a bit less on our to-do list than the American left 😉

twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1507035109408530435

Wbeezer · 24/03/2022 22:45

I have just spent an hour reading that thread on DHs ipad, i dont have a Twitter account.
Didn't do my blood pressure much good!
Full of ill informed, insular self - important numpties confidently sharing half - baked, unoriginal and largely illogical theories!
Infuriating.

Furries · 24/03/2022 23:05

@WinterTrees

Just scrolling through the twitter thread. It's probably been mentioned before but Joss Prior's hot take is that 'Mumsnet is Karen training college.'

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1506942282934726659

(I have typed out several thoughts about this but deleted them to save MN the bother.)

I’d take a wild guess that JP is not a happy bunny today. They spend a lot of time, pretty much every day, raging away mostly to their self (not a huge amount of interaction from others).

And one little Twitter thread explodes as a huge neon arrow directing people over to Mumsnet - priceless!

Thanks for starting this thread OP. I’m not on Twitter, so always appreciate the various links on this board to interesting snippets.

It would be very interesting to know how many new accounts were created today.