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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya Forstater Tribunal March 2022- Thread 3

999 replies

Whatamesssss · 17/03/2022 16:43

Thread one, here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4498167-Maya-Forstater-hearing-starts-Monday

Thread two, here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4505825-Maya-Forstater-Tribunal-March-2022-Thread-2?pg=1

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nauticant · 17/03/2022 16:45

Abbreviations:
BC = Ben Cooper QC, counsel for
MF = Maya Forstater - Claimant
AP = Anya Palmer, assisting BC
OD = Olivia Dobbie, counsel for the respondents
EJ = Employment judge, leading the panel
Panel = any one of the 3 members

CGDE (CGD Europe) – Respondent 1

CGD = Centre for Global Development – Respondent 2

LE = Luke Easley, Vice president for HR and operations at CGD, first witness for CGD
AG = Amanda Glassman, Chief Operating Officer, Senior Fellow and Board Secretary of CGD and a Trustee of CGD(Europe), second witness for CGD
MP = Mark Plant, Chief Operating Officer of CGD Europe, third witness for CGD
MA = Masood Ahmed, President of CGD and Chair of the Board of CGDE – Respondent 3, fourth witness for CGD

EM = Ellen MacKenzie, an off-stage character at CGD, involved in much that went on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2022 16:46

Thank you! Placemarking

PrelateChuckles · 17/03/2022 16:46

Thank you! The tweets from this afternoon in the threadreader app are here: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1504455139180126208.html

Maya's website has lots of relevant information and is collating the live tweets.
www.hiyamaya.net

twitter.com/tribunaltweets is the account to look at for the live tweets. Plus some live posting and discussion on these threads.

Signalbox · 17/03/2022 16:50

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WallaceinAnderland · 17/03/2022 16:50

Another day spent glued to this. Thanks so much for the threads.

tabbycatstripy · 17/03/2022 16:52

As to EM being an off-stage character, I'm going to be saying to the little 'un from now on: be good or I'm going to have EM review your tweets.

BIWI · 17/03/2022 16:53

Thank you everyone who has been posting from being logged in.

Terfydactyl · 17/03/2022 16:53

What a ride , man I'm beat just reading it.
Making my offer to transcribe if its needed.
Assuming we can get a recording.

Whatamesssss · 17/03/2022 16:53

Thank you @nauticant I should have put that in the op but was panicking that I wouldn't have time. Smile

Also a massive thank you to @tabbycatstripy for her amazing transcription.

Good luck @Mforstater

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BIWI · 17/03/2022 16:56

I think that I'm a bit late to this, and that Maya has already given evidence/been cross examined - is this so? And if it is, is there anywhere I can read the details of that?

TIA

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/03/2022 17:00

@BIWI

I think that I'm a bit late to this, and that Maya has already given evidence/been cross examined - is this so? And if it is, is there anywhere I can read the details of that?

TIA

Last week. For commentary, read the previous threads linked in the OP and evidence bundles are on Maya's site.

hiyamaya.net/

HardyBuckette · 17/03/2022 17:01

@BIWI

I think that I'm a bit late to this, and that Maya has already given evidence/been cross examined - is this so? And if it is, is there anywhere I can read the details of that?

TIA

Should be on the TribunalTweets twitter threads from last week? I think it was Monday 7th til about Wednesday.
BoreOfWhabylon · 17/03/2022 17:01

Thanks to @Whatamesssss for the new thread and thanks to all contributors, especially tabbycatstripy

Good luck Maya

nauticant · 17/03/2022 17:01

I'm not sure one can get from the court an audio recording of the hearing and it is not permitted to make your own recording.

This appears to be relevant: www.gov.uk/apply-transcript-court-tribunal-hearing

Do we know whether the hearing has been recorded by the tribunal?

Pixiedust1234 · 17/03/2022 17:02

Once again, thank you all for posting what is happening Flowers

Booboobadoo · 17/03/2022 17:06

Thank you all. Place marking x

VoleClock · 17/03/2022 17:11

I am a bit long in the tooth now but my recollection from working in civil courts was that any transcription had to be authenticated by the judge as being a proper and true record, or some such. So i can't imagine the Tribunal handing over the tapes for anyone to have a go at. More cheesr for the work of Tabby and Nauticant and all the other helpful commentators. Looking forward to the next exciting episode....

HardyBuckette · 17/03/2022 17:15

Am I right in thinking they're not in court tomorrow?

Signalbox · 17/03/2022 17:15

@HardyBuckette

Am I right in thinking they're not in court tomorrow?
They are in court tomorrow.
HardyBuckette · 17/03/2022 17:16

No idea where I got that from!

beastlyslumber · 17/03/2022 17:16

Following. Thanks tabby and others for the transcripts.

Chrysanthemum5 · 17/03/2022 17:18

@HardyBuckette originally they were not going to be in tomorrow, however other schedules moved which allowed it to be a tribunal day

nevertrustaherdofcows · 17/03/2022 17:19

Adding my thanks to Tabby

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/03/2022 17:22

BC: If we look ahead, we see email from you on 22 Feb that says there is some PR risk but in UK the PR risk could run in opposite direction. Reflects same divergence of views doesn't it?

MP: Y

BC: It would be unkind of me to ask how it's all panned out...

MP: No comment.

Ooof. Ouch, ouch, ouch! 😬

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