Guess what? Women hate gender neutral toilets...

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Report in a couple of papers this morning...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10536737/West-End-drama-gender-neutral-toilets-Theatregoers-blast-gross-restrooms.html
I might have gone (if the tickets hadn't been so expensive) but I shall certainly make a note to avoid this theatre in the future...

Well, someone could probably correct you if you explained what on earth you were on about

You say gender-neutral toilets have been around for years and women haven't been bothered by them. If you mean your loo at home, and single fully enclosed cubicles (most often in small venues), then your comments are irrelevant here.

If you mean something more profound it would help everyone if you could just explain what you do mean.

I mean toilets in certain nightclubs were unisex over a decade ago and it didnt bother anyone. You dont share the same toilet space. No strangers got to see my foofoo!

In my opinion women overwhelmingly don’t want mixed sex toilets , sports , prisons because we value our safety and privacy.
I value the privacy and safety of my female relatives and friends.
I value the privacy and safety of women with disabilities and cultural reasons that require them to have single sex facilities.

@Kimilybob

I mean toilets in certain nightclubs were unisex over a decade ago and it didnt bother anyone. You dont share the same toilet space. No strangers got to see my foofoo!

But it means that women have to see men’s tackle at the open urinal - or doesn’t it matter if your bits are covered from sight?

Given that many people were queuing for the disabled toilets, a whole extra demographic is being disadvantaged, too….

People with certain disabilities (including hidden but non-the-less very real and medically verified) already have to struggle to access the disabled toilets. And they need them as a fundamental aspect of even being able to attend events out of their own home.

Significantly more people insisting on using them as a means of avoiding the “mixed-sex” scenario will be devastating for many disabled people, and will see their opportunities to participate in society greatly curtailed.

@Rhannion

In my opinion women overwhelmingly don’t want mixed sex toilets , sports , prisons because we value our safety and privacy. I value the privacy and safety of my female relatives and friends. I value the privacy and safety of women with disabilities and cultural reasons that require them to have single sex facilities.

There are no disabilities or cultural reasons for single sex loos. Its through this nonsense of continually breaking down the levels in which people differ that this whole mess is here in the first place. I wish people would see that!

No it dorsnt mean you see mens tackle. Please inform ypurselves with what unisex toilets are

Have you heard of the Urinary Leash by any chance? Women didn’t have public toilets at all until the late 1800s.

A mixed sex toilet (as it is in this specific case) is one where the theatre has taken the “men” sign off the toilet door of the specifically designed male toilets and the “women” sign off the specifically designed female toilets. Then told patrons that all toilets are open to everyone.

So - men are able to walk into the toilets that were once designated female and use the cubicles.
In addition, women are expected to walk into the toilets that were once designated male - this involves them walking past the urinal (and thus seeing exposed tackle) to get to the cubicles there.

Uni-sex toilets specifically designed as uni-sex mean they are designed as single occupancy, self contained cubicles.

Mixed-sex toilets, in this and many instances now, are simply the existing sex-designated toilets opened up to both sexes. They are not being retrospectively outfitted as safe, self contained cubicles opening out onto a public space.

They have taken the “male” and “female” signs down and said go for it anywhere you want.

There are no disabilities or cultural reasons for single sex loos. Its through this nonsense of continually breaking down the levels in which people differ that this whole mess is here in the first place. I wish people would see that!

I think it is you that needs to educate yourself…..

I have a disability - and I definitely need a single sex loo. It could be a single self contained room/cubicle that both males and females with disabilities could use (in turn). I would not be able to use a mixed-sex toilet setup, for my own privacy, dignity and comfort.

As for cultural reasons for requiring single-sex toilets - have you never even given the women who have religious beliefs that preclude them from sharing spaces with males a thought?

It is truly ignorant to dismiss the impact that mixed-sex toilets have on disabled people and those who cannot be in mixed-sex settings for cultural reasons. That is why a 3rd space (so male, female and mixed-sex) is the only solution….

@Janesmom

Please stop the “all women think (x)” silliness. I really don’t have a problem with this and would actually be quite happy to have a shorter queue!

Agreed. I'm a woman and I don't care. I often feel people on here think they are speaking for "all women" and that is not the case.

So, just out of interest, what makes your dignity, respect and comfort more important than mine, so much so that you cant use unisex loos.....nonesense. No signs are being taken from doors and labelled as any sex. Do please enlighten me of all the places this has occured as ive never seen this happen. Again this is not what is meant by unisex loos. If it were what kind of pervy women would go into the mens urinals looking at willys and not the cubicle section. Some people really arnt looking at this in reality or with any rationality.

@Kimilybob - read the article that this whole thread is about.
That might help.

@Kimilybob

So, just out of interest, what makes your dignity, respect and comfort more important than mine, so much so that you cant use unisex loos.....nonesense. No signs are being taken from doors and labelled as any sex. Do please enlighten me of all the places this has occured as ive never seen this happen. Again this is not what is meant by unisex loos. If it were what kind of pervy women would go into the mens urinals looking at willys and not the cubicle section. Some people really arnt looking at this in reality or with any rationality.

Nice(ish) try....

Nightclubs are almost the worst places to suggest that mixed sex toilets aren't a problem.

I can't, surely, be the only women who has taken refuge in the (single sex) toilets on many occasions to escape from men. I know for sure that my daughter and her friends have used the loos to regroup, find each other, and get away from what they would call unwanted attention and I (being older and more aware of what is going on) would name as sexual harassment.

I don't know any women at all who think that mixed sex toilets are an improvement on single sex facilities.

Also - read the replies that have been made in relation to your ignorant comments. The answers are all there.

To specify, though - with my disability, I am sometimes in a position where I need assistance. In a situation where I am partially clothed, or in a vulnerable situation I can (and have) been able to ask a female who is also in the female toilets for assistance. I could not ask a male - if the situation arose where I could not be assured of only females being in the female toilet, I would not venture out.

Just because you have the privilege of not being dependent on the help of others, or can blithely disregard the capacity of others to cope with something does not mean you have the right to dismiss it or give away my right to single sex spaces.

I would challenge anyone who resorts to calling women “pervy” if they are concerned about seeing penises in a loo designed for males to walk into any specifically designed male toilet and not see genitalia when men are using the urinals. Most male public toilet designs are such that the urinals are either in full view as you walk in, or by the sinks. Re-labelling these toilets as “mixed-sex” doesn’t move the location or the visibility of the urinals.

And before the now familiar cry of “inform yourself of what uni-sex toilets are” and “this doesn’t happen” - READ THE ARTICLE linked in the OP - because it DOES/DID.

It's a while since I've been clubbing but when I did the clubs with the mixed sex toilets were gay clubs. There weren't enough women in them to justify separate provision and they had no desire whatsoever to be inclusive of women. Fair enough I think, but hardly a circumstance that transfers to a London theatre where women are the majority of patrons.

So thats a no? No one knows of any toilets that have urinals that now encourage women to use also..... Youre all chasing ghosts and making up issues that dont exist.

@Kimilybob

So thats a no? No one knows of any toilets that have urinals that now encourage women to use also..... Youre all chasing ghosts and making up issues that dont exist.

Are you reading a different article then everyone else? Or not as the case may be.

......, some theatregoers were 'mortified' to encounter the updated toilets which left women with 'no choice' but to pass men using urinals to reach the cubicles