Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

[IamSarah]

Great article in Spiked Online about Mridul Wadwha's latest shenanigans:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/01/the-thought-police-are-here/

To briefly summarise:

• Mridul was born male

• Mridul is legally male with no GRC

• Mridul is the CEO of Edinburgh Rape crisis

• Mridul claims women who want female only rape crisis services are bigoted and should 'reframe their trauma'

• The CEO of a domestic violence charity Nicola Murray stopped referring women to Mridul's rape crisis service due to Mridul's misogyny

• Mridul reported Nicola Murray to the police for committing a hate crime

• The police actually visited Nicola Murray to question her thinking

No of course it's not. It's misogynist, it's a sexual comment, I condemn it, but it is not a credible rape threat. It's something young people say to each other all the time and which seems to have come from the US. There's even a well known song called Suck My Dick by female rapper Lil' Kim

The phrase “suck my dick, you transphobic cunts” aimed at women attending a feminist conference doesn’t seem like a credible rape threat to you because it’s just bantz?!

Wow. You really do have quite an…original…take there.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-supporter-admits-sending-sick-23701159

To Joanna cherry

More from Joanna below

Cherry said the febrile debate within the party over changes to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) and allegations of transphobia directed at her had put her at risk.

She said: “I have a friendship with a trans woman dating back to the days when I first came out as a lesbian on the scene in Edinburgh in the 1980s. One of my most loyal and hard-working activists is a trans woman. I am not transphobic.

“The people who are propagating the idea that I’m transphobic are not only being unfair to me, they’re actually putting me in danger because of the level of abuse I’ve received, which included a death threat in 2019 and in the last week has included a series of very scary and frightening messages which have led to a man being arrested and charged with a serious offence. I can’t comment on that too much at the moment. I can’t tell you who the man was, but I can tell you he was a party member.”

“Suck my dick” is nothing biological women say to each other in my experience. Especially since biological women dont have dicks. I don’t know any girl or woman who wouldn’t feel threatened or at least extremely uncomfortable with being told this.

If transwomen think this only is “misogynistic banter” then that just shows the massive cognitive difference between biological women and transwomen. And how biological women have their boundaries violated.

@littlbrowndog

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-supporter-admits-sending-sick-23701159

To Joanna cherry

That man's comments were awful but he is not a prominent trans activist. In fact he is not a trans activist at all as far as I can tell and it's quite probable this had nothing to do with trans people and he made the comments for other reasons.

@Doubletoilandtrouble

“Suck my dick” is nothing biological women say to each other in my experience. Especially since biological women dont have dicks. I don’t know any girl or woman who wouldn’t feel threatened or at least extremely uncomfortable with being told this.

If transwomen think this only is “misogynistic banter” then that just shows the massive cognitive difference between biological women and transwomen. And how biological women have their boundaries violated.

I didn't say it was banter. It's unacceptable, misogynist and I condemned it. But it is used by women, especially in the US, where it is a very common term and it is not a rape threat. And that is relevant because I constantly see people claiming on here that feminists are bombarded with death and rape threats by 'TRAs' but when asked to find specific examples of that from a prominent and named trans activist no-one seems to be able to.

What about the person formerly known as Joe Brennan aka @towntattle, who transitioned and took the name Cathy, in order to harass the well known feminist of that name. I refuse to identify the transactivist by the feminists name, so I have elected to use the former name for clarity.

Brennan is enough of a transactivist to show up at an event that Julie Bindel was speaking at, violently threaten and lunge at her, threatening to punch her. The event had nothing to do with trans issues, IIRC. Brennan was convicted of doing this.

Violent, threatening transactivist. Not a death threat, sure, but when this person lunged towards Julie with fists raised, she could not have known how much harm Brennan meant to cause her.

I expect you’ll think Brennan was flirting with Julie or something, barley.

Sorry.

Wrong thread and I’ve reported.

Blimey Sheldon I now want to read your right thread

@barleybadminton

They are only important to you barely.

I think you'll find Angela Davies, Catherine Mckinnon and Gloria Steinman are important to more people than just me lol.

Not important enough to you to spell her name right. That's twice now. I wasn't petty enough to mention it as a one-off, but twice tries my forbearance.

What's really interesting here is that you are going all in on treating feminism and feminist philosophy as a matter of hierarchy, where who writes it is more important than how convincingly they write it.

You really don’t masdintle 😁

Please point out one prominent trans activist in the UK who has issued a credible rape or death threat (as opposed to anonymous twitter trolls)

I rather doubt that violence, sexual violence and murder diminish in severity because the perpetrator isn't "prominent".

Do you think that if someone with less than 10,000 followers murders a feminist, she'll be 15% less dead?

I didn't say it was banter. It's unacceptable, misogynist and I condemned it. But it is used by women, especially in the US, where it is a very common term and it is not a rape threat. And that is relevant because I constantly see people claiming on here that feminists are bombarded with death and rape threats by 'TRAs' but when asked to find specific examples of that from a prominent and named trans activist no-one seems to be able to.

Could you kindly stop rooting all your points with some variant of "it happens in America?"

I have never travelled to America and am unlikely to ever be able to afford to do so, even if you spend half your life there. I do not care what you say is acceptable in America, you do not have the right to dictate my boundaries or perceptions.

More about Jones: https://4w.pub/male-sex-offender-murderer-paved-way-for/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

Jones murdered their partner and lived with their decomposing body for so long it was impossible to determine cause of death so could not be tried for murder. Five days after their release from prison Jones tried to rape a shop assistant and gagged her by putting a lemon in her mouth. The woman worked in a shop which sold clothes and accessories for transsexual men.

How many other murderers and rapists are given the floor at the HoL?

So, now we cannot frame what we find threatening. That is a new turn.

Please keep them coming barely because it really is enlightening to see this in action.

So... suck my dick, you transphobic cunt is NOT threatening wims... just a misogynistic turn of phrase, but these people don't really mean it. They really don't. It is just a thing to say.....

I am surprised I tell you. Just completely surprised.

Anyway, can we get back on track with this thread. About a transitioned male and their position as the CEO of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

The squirrels have got out of hand here.

What kind of mind can deny that right to request a female examiner to a shaking, traumatised woman on the worst day of her life when that person is also the CEO of a rape crisis centre?

Or maybe there’s Peyton Rose Montreux, a trans singer songwriter who in 2019 was due to headline at a Trans Pride Scotland event for Trans day of visibility.

Monteux tweeted a picture that featured an image of a leaflet distributed by For Women Scotland with the text: “If you catch one of these assholes in the act, please undo their work or throat-punch them.”

Police investigated.

Interestingly, Monteux was also at the event I mentioned above where Brennan attempted to assault Julie Bindel.

Now, again, it’s not a death threat, but a throat punch can cause a serious injury, so the effort to frighten women by these threats is certainly effective enough, don’t you think?

Most of their work seems to be one on one according to their website so they are offering a service for people who wouldn't want to be in a group with a trans woman.

Unless, of course, you notice that the counsellor is potentially a transwoman.

So because some random person on the Internet tells me that some unknown people in the US are using “suck my dick” as banter, I am not allowed to feel violated if someone says this to me?

I am in the U.K. It must be lovely to be able to afford lots of foreign travel, but I have only been to the US once years ago. What they do or don’t do has no impact on me.

I do know lots of English women and I can reliably say that not a single biological woman I have come across has used this expression- or found it anything less than threatening, violating and distasteful.

I am willing to accept that English men and transwomen use this and normalise this expression. That just shows that you really need a dick to find the use of this in any way excusable on this side of the pond.

I wasn't referring to 'prominent' trans activists in any case. And frankly, anyone can easily find the examples for themselves, just start with threats made against Joanne Rowling. Many on the threads with children while she engaged with them about the Ickabog.

That a poster has declared that 'suck my dick you transphobic cunt' is not a threat to women, is just another example of where lived experience of being a female comes into play. I am pretty sure that a high proportion of females who have seen these threats would indeed find them credible threats.

But here we have a poster telling women what they should find threatening or not.

At the same time as downplaying many other aspects of the things said and done by Mridul Wadhwa.

That just shows that you really need a dick to find the use of this in any way excusable on this side of the pond.

or had a dick.

[quote barleybadminton]@Waitwhat23

That is an unpleasant and aggresive comment but it is not a death or rape threat.[/quote]
How about Emilia Decaudin and the countless others who issue threats like "suck my girldick, TERFs"?

Following through with such a threat would definitely count as rape under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.

And I realise that as an American, Decaudin doesn't qualify your criteria of being UK-based (though why you're suddenly so keen to keep to the UK when you weren't a page earlier) but there are plenty of similar threads in the UK. Even on placards at a feminist conference.

SACRO is a charity, and in many ways it is an exceptionally good charity working at the sharp end of rehabilitation of offenders, programmes to stop offending and working with families of offenders.

I was incredibly shocked and disturbed by the Monklands decision. I thought and still do think that it was wrong. But even if MW's partner was still the director of SACRO, it is a charity and no-one is making money off the back of this decision, however bad it is for women.

It's something young people say to each other all the time

I've been a male on this planet for nearly thirty years and have never uttered those words, nor anything like them.