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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

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IamSarah · 03/02/2022 17:58

Great article in Spiked Online about Mridul Wadwha's latest shenanigans:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/01/the-thought-police-are-here/

To briefly summarise:

  • Mridul was born male
  • Mridul is legally male with no GRC
  • Mridul is the CEO of Edinburgh Rape crisis
  • Mridul claims women who want female only rape crisis services are bigoted and should 'reframe their trauma'
  • The CEO of a domestic violence charity Nicola Murray stopped referring women to Mridul's rape crisis service due to Mridul's misogyny
  • Mridul reported Nicola Murray to the police for committing a hate crime
  • The police actually visited Nicola Murray to question her thinking
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2022 10:09

Roaring GrinGrin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2022 10:11

I have gone over this many times, and the only reason to oppose that amendment with such passion is if you want to leave a loophole open that will permit a rape victim to be told she's transphobic for rejecting a particular examiner.

Exactly. That's exactly what was so clear with the toys being thrown out of prams from MW and the Scottish Greens when the Lamont amendment was accepted.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 07/02/2022 10:28

Women are NOT saying this to each other. Hip Hop culture was born from and thrives off of misogyny. You cannot seriously think it represents the masses or is any excuse/justification for violent behavior. Rappers are always talking about fucking the police, busting a cap in yo ass, fucking bitches and getting money... does this make any of it realistic or appropriate? Does it make violence, rape, theft, murder acceptable?

Great reality check there from an actual member of the younger generation, thank you radriver.

Clymene · 07/02/2022 10:31

[quote DialSquare]Is this the same Sandy Brindley mentioned in this article?

www.scottishlegal.com/articles/employment-tribunal-finds-woman-suffering-from-anxiety-unfairly-dismissed-from-rape-crisis-scotland[/quote]
Wow

“Ms Brindley appeared unable or unwilling to understand that her presence throughout both the grievance and disciplinary processes could have a bearing on the extent to which these were conducted in an impartial manner. It was clear to the Tribunal that Ms Brindley operated an invisible hand throughout both processes and her presence was not neutral.”
"The respondent was therefore ordered to pay the claimant a basic award of £7,087.50, with compensation for unfair dismissal of £28,124 subject to recoupment. The Tribunal further awarded the claimant £15,000 for injury to feelings."

Over £50k of funds pissed up the wall by Brindley's incompetence. I'm very surprised the Board of Trustees hasn't asked her to step down

Helleofabore · 07/02/2022 11:01

We've also discussed at legnth why Sandy Brindley from Rape Crisis Scotland criticised the amendment and it had nothig to do with attempting to deny women the right to a female examiner - a right they currently do not have for reasons that are nothing to do with trans women.

Do you mean this:

Johann Lamont MSP has this week lodged an amendment to the bill, to change the reference from “gender” to “sex”. It is not clear what she is trying to achieve with this – some commentators see this as a development which would exclude trans women doctors from carrying out forensic examinations.

If this is the intent of the amendment, it will not achieve this. No concerns about the use of the term gender were raised when the original bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in December 2013; the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably. Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors.

The real issue

The amendment misses the point – the key issue facing women in Scotland accessing forensic examinations is not trans women carrying out these examinations. As far as we know there are no trans examiners in Scotland.

The real issue is that in four out of ten examinations women face being examined by a male doctor. If they request a female doctor, they may be told that this is possible but will involve a considerable delay. Most women are so desperate to wash that they then agree to the exam being done by a male doctor. This is unjust and unfair.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/forensic-medical-services-bill-important-step-forward-treatment-rape-survivors-scotland-gender-row-misses-point-sandy-brindley-3061543

I am not really sure that this article says what you want it to say.

Because in this article, Sandy Brindley sounds like someone who has missed the recent years where gender certainly has a different meaning than sex.

Or are you going to try to tell us that there is no difference at all.

Meaning Brindley is either still living back in 2013 or thinks other people are not up to date with the political maneuvering and they can therefore use this as yet another false argument.

No concerns about the use of the term gender were raised when the original bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in December 2013; the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably.

Really? No concerns that have recently become apparent? Yet almost ALL the members of the Scottish Parliament voted for the amended bill. I guess that is an indication that those six little words strengthened the intention of the bill and did not detract from the bill at all.

It is also almost like Brindley is ignoring that Wadhwa got a job where an exemption was claimed so only 'women' could apply. An exemption in an act of parliament that was supposed to protect female only roles but has failed in some instances.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/

It is then followed by the equally questionable and false assertion of:

Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors.

and

The amendment misses the point – the key issue facing women in Scotland accessing forensic examinations is not trans women carrying out these examinations. As far as we know there are no trans examiners in Scotland.

And again. Only a fool or someone deeply entrenched in spreading misinformation would continue to argue this if an ambiguity in the law or policy meant a male medical examiner who transitioned over night could be considered a 'female' medical examiner. When the law included that magic word 'gender' thus giving the opportunity to misinterpret yet another law, to suit transitioned males wants over female's needs.

(I also want to clarify that if a transitioned male doctor was appointed and was presented to a female victim as a MALE doctor, with no gaslighting that that doctor was female at all, then it is not optimal but it is also irrelevant to the focus of the topic at hand. And by not optimal, I mean a female had to choose between a male or further waiting for a female medical examiner which can be a further traumatic decision to make)

I am quite happy to keep calling anyone a fool who argues that 'Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors'. When the Scottish Government is apparently seeking to get more female medical examiners - meaning a recruitment drive.

Meaning that this clause becomes very important indeed in that recruitment campaign.

But Brindley knows what the issue is:

The real issue is that in four out of ten examinations women face being examined by a male doctor. If they request a female doctor, they may be told that this is possible but will involve a considerable delay. Most women are so desperate to wash that they then agree to the exam being done by a male doctor. This is unjust and unfair.

And yes. It is a horrific decision that some women and girls have to make here.

The amendment did NOT mean that the bill was not passed. The amendment did NOT mean that females will no longer get the right to make that request. It strengthened that right to ensure clarity around that right.

I am certain that readers of this thread will pick up the hypocrisy that seems to be being argued here. That two heads of organisations responsible for making sure that women and girls are treated with better care, are making political stances for their own agendas. And that their own agendas would allow loopholes into a brand new bill that will further cause harm.

That the downplaying of 'there is not one transitioned male medical examiner and so this is irrelevant and therefore phobic' is a ludicrous and hypocritical argument to make for a bill that hopefully will last a lot bloody longer than seven years. But it is a typical trans activist tactic.

So, is Sandy Brindley someone who is not up to date with the current political climate? Just using an outdated concept that sex and gender were simply interchangeable in 2013 (was it really?) and still is in 2022?

Is Sandy Brindley someone who was fully aware, even complicit, of the fact that Wadhwa was appointed to a role where an exemption was claimed for a 'woman' when it should have been for a 'female'?

Brings to mind:

what kind of mind can deny the right to request a female examiner to a shaking, traumatised woman on the worst day of her life when that person is also the CEO of a rape crisis centre?

Helleofabore · 07/02/2022 11:03

Sorry, that was very long. I just want to be very clear what it is that barley is repeating like it is some kind of wise take or a gotcha.

Doubletoilandtrouble · 07/02/2022 12:11

I am not surprised that the person arguing that “suck my dick” isn’t something violating and threatening is the same person who thinks that raped women in trauma should be ok with a counsellor in possession of a dick.

Rhannion · 07/02/2022 14:41

@Doubletoilandtrouble

I am not surprised that the person arguing that “suck my dick” isn’t something violating and threatening is the same person who thinks that raped women in trauma should be ok with a counsellor in possession of a dick.
Yes it’s very telling , isn’t it?
Rhannion · 07/02/2022 14:42

@Helleofabore

We've also discussed at legnth why Sandy Brindley from Rape Crisis Scotland criticised the amendment and it had nothig to do with attempting to deny women the right to a female examiner - a right they currently do not have for reasons that are nothing to do with trans women.

Do you mean this:

Johann Lamont MSP has this week lodged an amendment to the bill, to change the reference from “gender” to “sex”. It is not clear what she is trying to achieve with this – some commentators see this as a development which would exclude trans women doctors from carrying out forensic examinations.

If this is the intent of the amendment, it will not achieve this. No concerns about the use of the term gender were raised when the original bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in December 2013; the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably. Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors.

The real issue

The amendment misses the point – the key issue facing women in Scotland accessing forensic examinations is not trans women carrying out these examinations. As far as we know there are no trans examiners in Scotland.

The real issue is that in four out of ten examinations women face being examined by a male doctor. If they request a female doctor, they may be told that this is possible but will involve a considerable delay. Most women are so desperate to wash that they then agree to the exam being done by a male doctor. This is unjust and unfair.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/forensic-medical-services-bill-important-step-forward-treatment-rape-survivors-scotland-gender-row-misses-point-sandy-brindley-3061543

I am not really sure that this article says what you want it to say.

Because in this article, Sandy Brindley sounds like someone who has missed the recent years where gender certainly has a different meaning than sex.

Or are you going to try to tell us that there is no difference at all.

Meaning Brindley is either still living back in 2013 or thinks other people are not up to date with the political maneuvering and they can therefore use this as yet another false argument.

No concerns about the use of the term gender were raised when the original bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament in December 2013; the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably.

Really? No concerns that have recently become apparent? Yet almost ALL the members of the Scottish Parliament voted for the amended bill. I guess that is an indication that those six little words strengthened the intention of the bill and did not detract from the bill at all.

It is also almost like Brindley is ignoring that Wadhwa got a job where an exemption was claimed so only 'women' could apply. An exemption in an act of parliament that was supposed to protect female only roles but has failed in some instances.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/

It is then followed by the equally questionable and false assertion of:

Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors.

and

The amendment misses the point – the key issue facing women in Scotland accessing forensic examinations is not trans women carrying out these examinations. As far as we know there are no trans examiners in Scotland.

And again. Only a fool or someone deeply entrenched in spreading misinformation would continue to argue this if an ambiguity in the law or policy meant a male medical examiner who transitioned over night could be considered a 'female' medical examiner. When the law included that magic word 'gender' thus giving the opportunity to misinterpret yet another law, to suit transitioned males wants over female's needs.

(I also want to clarify that if a transitioned male doctor was appointed and was presented to a female victim as a MALE doctor, with no gaslighting that that doctor was female at all, then it is not optimal but it is also irrelevant to the focus of the topic at hand. And by not optimal, I mean a female had to choose between a male or further waiting for a female medical examiner which can be a further traumatic decision to make)

I am quite happy to keep calling anyone a fool who argues that 'Replacing one word with another will have no impact on the availability of female doctors'. When the Scottish Government is apparently seeking to get more female medical examiners - meaning a recruitment drive.

Meaning that this clause becomes very important indeed in that recruitment campaign.

But Brindley knows what the issue is:

The real issue is that in four out of ten examinations women face being examined by a male doctor. If they request a female doctor, they may be told that this is possible but will involve a considerable delay. Most women are so desperate to wash that they then agree to the exam being done by a male doctor. This is unjust and unfair.

And yes. It is a horrific decision that some women and girls have to make here.

The amendment did NOT mean that the bill was not passed. The amendment did NOT mean that females will no longer get the right to make that request. It strengthened that right to ensure clarity around that right.

I am certain that readers of this thread will pick up the hypocrisy that seems to be being argued here. That two heads of organisations responsible for making sure that women and girls are treated with better care, are making political stances for their own agendas. And that their own agendas would allow loopholes into a brand new bill that will further cause harm.

That the downplaying of 'there is not one transitioned male medical examiner and so this is irrelevant and therefore phobic' is a ludicrous and hypocritical argument to make for a bill that hopefully will last a lot bloody longer than seven years. But it is a typical trans activist tactic.

So, is Sandy Brindley someone who is not up to date with the current political climate? Just using an outdated concept that sex and gender were simply interchangeable in 2013 (was it really?) and still is in 2022?

Is Sandy Brindley someone who was fully aware, even complicit, of the fact that Wadhwa was appointed to a role where an exemption was claimed for a 'woman' when it should have been for a 'female'?

Brings to mind:

what kind of mind can deny the right to request a female examiner to a shaking, traumatised woman on the worst day of her life when that person is also the CEO of a rape crisis centre?

It’s long but this comment is important and deserves repeating often.
Clymene · 07/02/2022 14:57

@Helleofabore

Sorry, that was very long. I just want to be very clear what it is that barley is repeating like it is some kind of wise take or a gotcha.
It very much bears repeating
DialSquare · 07/02/2022 20:02

Over £50k of funds pissed up the wall by Brindley's incompetence. I'm very surprised the Board of Trustees hasn't asked her to step down.

Indeed Clymene. Not very professional at all. Certainly not the sort of person I would be championing.

Helleofabore · 07/02/2022 20:10

@DialSquare

Over £50k of funds pissed up the wall by Brindley's incompetence. I'm very surprised the Board of Trustees hasn't asked her to step down.

Indeed Clymene. Not very professional at all. Certainly not the sort of person I would be championing.

Well, considering from her article she is either not up to date on what is happening politically with 'gender' meaning she needs to get updated to be competent in her role or is very deeply entrenched that she has a bias meaning that she is probably not able to provide the best service for females requiring 'female single sex services'.

I'd be hesitant in championing her.

Rhannion · 07/02/2022 20:48

The trustees have no doubt been stonewalled...

DialSquare · 07/02/2022 20:49

@DialSquare

Over £50k of funds pissed up the wall by Brindley's incompetence. I'm very surprised the Board of Trustees hasn't asked her to step down.

Indeed Clymene. Not very professional at all. Certainly not the sort of person I would be championing.

Bold fail on the first paragraph. Just to clarify that part was posted by Clymene.
Rhannion · 08/02/2022 03:45

I think it would be a good idea if everyone has a look at a recent post on the Scotsnet thread regarding the rights of disabled people. There is an article linked on there that should give many people pause for thought.

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