Mridul Wadwha and the thought police

[IamSarah]

Great article in Spiked Online about Mridul Wadwha's latest shenanigans:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/01/the-thought-police-are-here/

To briefly summarise:

• Mridul was born male

• Mridul is legally male with no GRC

• Mridul is the CEO of Edinburgh Rape crisis

• Mridul claims women who want female only rape crisis services are bigoted and should 'reframe their trauma'

• The CEO of a domestic violence charity Nicola Murray stopped referring women to Mridul's rape crisis service due to Mridul's misogyny

• Mridul reported Nicola Murray to the police for committing a hate crime

• The police actually visited Nicola Murray to question her thinking

A rape crisis service set up by women and for women now has to 'justify a need' for women to access rape crisis services?

Incidentally, NIA appears to be based solely in London. Not particularly helpful for women based in Edinburgh and the Lothians, wouldn't you agree?

@Waitwhat23

That is an unpleasant and aggresive comment but it is not a death or rape threat.

It is astonishing, barley, how much effort you are willing to put into fighting women's right to single sex services.

[quote barleybadminton]@Waitwhat23

That is an unpleasant and aggresive comment but it is not a death or rape threat.[/quote]
I'd be interested to know what you think the outcome of a male their twenties carrying out the threat of 'Let’s f*king have at it, you c*t!' towards a female in her 50's? Is severe injuries acceptable?

That last sentence should have read 'is severe injuries acceptable to you? Possibility of death?'

@barleybadminton

They are only important to you barely.

I think you'll find Angela Davies, Catherine Mckinnon and Gloria Steinman are important to more people than just me lol.

Of course, they are important in their own right.

But in their dissemination of the events that are relevant to today in the UK? Which is what we are discussing?

I am not sure you are on a compelling argument.

I'm a woman in Edinburgh. Should I be unlucky enough to be raped I would absolutely want to be able to access female only services. Why should I not be able to have this? Is it because it would invalidate the feelings of the CEO? How can anyone think this is reasonable?

No one with the slightest bit of empathy would think it reasonable @scalliondays

Okay let's. Please point out one prominent trans activist in the UK who has issued a credible rape or death threat (as opposed to anonymous twitter trolls).

Why have you moved the goal posts to 'prominent' only?

Why would you try to separate the sheer volume of rape and death threats' issued to women fighting for upholding their rights and boundaries in the UK into 'prominent' vs non-prominent?

And please do tell us what the trans lobby groups are doing to fight this sheer volume of rape and death threats towards women who disagree that males can be women?

@DomesticatedZombie

It is astonishing, barley, how much effort you are willing to put into fighting women's right to single sex services.

It’s quite breathtaking the effort involved isn’t it?

Well there's good old Steph who organised a protest outside the Filia feminist conference where women protestors were greeted with transactivist protesters chanting “Trans women are women”, “Blow jobs are real jobs” and “No TERFs in Pompey Turf.” They held signs that read “Suck my dick, you transphobic cunts” and wrote with chalk “Transphobes can suck on my pink strap” on the Guildhall entrance:

www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2021/10/26/filia-statement-on-amnesty-international-uk

Is that what you mean barely?

Regarding Edinburgh Rape Crisis, they could easily have sessions when it was women only and reserve occasional sessions for men and sessions for trans identifying people. It's hardly rocket science. The very fact that they are not doing this is proof that it's all political point scoring and the actual abused and raped women can just sod off if they don't like it. It's an absolute disgrace.

Or is it the extreme outpouring of racist and misogynistic abuse aimed at people attending a Woman's Place event about vulnerable women in prison where a Black business meeting, venue staff and their stewards were all repeatedly grossly abused? I believe the SWP were implicated in the dreadful scenes:

womansplaceuk.org/2021/10/30/open-letter-swp-abusive-protest/

Is this what you have in mind bb? There's more.....

Why would you try to separate the sheer volume of rape and death threats' issued to women fighting for upholding their rights and boundaries in the UK into 'prominent' vs non-prominent?

Because there is a difference between a prominent trans campaigner and an anonymous troll that could be literally anyone including far right agitators seeking to pour petrol on this debate.

Someone who'd been posting Posie Parker's stuff was convicted not that long ago for trying to burn down their neighbours house because they were a trans women but I'm not laying that at the gender critical door.

Is this what you have in mind bb?

No I had in mind death and rape threats because that's what was alleged.

Try reading the links.

Oh... and suck my dick is not a rape threat?

Not sure how you can minimise that one.

@scalliondays

Regarding Edinburgh Rape Crisis, they could easily have sessions when it was women only and reserve occasional sessions for men and sessions for trans identifying people. It's hardly rocket science. The very fact that they are not doing this is proof that it's all political point scoring and the actual abused and raped women can just sod off if they don't like it. It's an absolute disgrace.

Absolutely. And there are dubious & murky connections between MW & women only shelters elsewhere having their funding removed which I think is mentioned on this thread or one of the other threads. I hold the SNP / Greens responsible for this shit show, Labour, Lib Dems & Cons are spineless. As Burns wrote “ Sic a parcel o’ rogues in the nation” Scotland & it’s women and children better.

@scalliondays

Regarding Edinburgh Rape Crisis, they could easily have sessions when it was women only and reserve occasional sessions for men and sessions for trans identifying people. It's hardly rocket science. The very fact that they are not doing this is proof that it's all political point scoring and the actual abused and raped women can just sod off if they don't like it. It's an absolute disgrace.

Most of their work seems to be one on one according to their website so they are offering a service for people who wouldn't want to be in a group with a trans woman.

Actually - at this stage I'm going to invoke Madame Bunbury (or playing chess with pigeons) and stop.

Because there is a difference between a prominent trans campaigner and an anonymous troll that could be literally anyone including far right agitators seeking to pour petrol on this debate.

oh I see.... someone else did it. It wasn't us.

Someone who'd been posting Posie Parker's stuff was convicted not that long ago for trying to burn down their neighbours house because they were a trans women but I'm not laying that at the gender critical door.

And I would certainly condemn this person. Are they a feminist, fighting for women's rights?

There’s Karen Jones, also known as Karen Lawson, who doesn’t go much for death threats, to be fair, but has convictions for manslaughter and attempted rape. Jones/Lawson was invited by Lord Patel of Bradford to address the House of Lords on the topic of the needs of trans prisoners.

Jones/Lawson is very involved in transactivism, and was instrumental in the decision that MTF transgender prisoners should be accommodated in the prison estate. Pink News certainly finds them a credible source.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/01/24/these-powerful-stories-from-two-trans-ex-offenders-remind-us-why-we-need-to-support-trans-rights-today/

I am guessing this won’t count as someone who had issued rape or death threats, though, as Jones/Lawson just went right ahead and committed them.

@Helleofabore

Oh... and suck my dick is not a rape threat?

Not sure how you can minimise that one.

No of course it's not. It's misogynist, it's a sexual comment, I condemn it, but it is not a credible rape threat. It's something young people say to each other all the time and which seems to have come from the US. There's even a well known song called Suck My Dick by female rapper Lil' Kim.

Interestingly, Edinburgh Rape crisis seem to be advertising for several new volunteer counsellors but add that ''only women need apply for the above volunteer roles under Schedule 9, Part 1 of the Equality Act 2010''
Shouldn't that have applied to Mridul Whadwa? Wouldn't the centre then have avoided the disgraceful remarks about challenging bigoted views and just efficiently got on with the essential job of helping rape and sexual abuse survivors?

No of course it's not. It's misogynist, it's a sexual comment, I condemn it, but it is not a credible rape threat
This is why this conversation has become toxic - when an anti women poster ignores context and feels empowered to argue with women what threats to us are credible. Vile.