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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What rights don't trans and nb people have?

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AlternativelyWired · 02/02/2022 16:50

Manchester councillor readies motion on improving trans rights across city www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-time-more-manchester-councillor-22950927

The article doesn't specify except to say the motion wants the council to state twaw.

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 02/02/2022 19:11

I totally agree regarding starting with reality.

The right to be gender non conforming without being discriminated against? I'm totally good with that, and in fact that right is already enshrined in law

The right to make me pretend I can't tell what sex you are?

Nah

LondonWolf · 02/02/2022 19:12

The right to muscle their way into single sex spaces without any opposition is the only one I can think of.

MidCenturyClegs · 02/02/2022 19:13

@DomesticatedZombie

edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/

I was going to do selected highlights, but stuff it, have the lot, this is too good:

....We will fight anyone who stands in the way of universal liberation. This is war, and we will win.

TRANS HEALTH MANIFESTO

Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare’. We will see reparations for these crimes, and the crimes committed against others in our names.

We are not too ill, too disabled, too anxious, too depressed, too psychotic, too Mad, too foreign, too young, too old, too fat, too thin, too poor, or too queer to make decisions about our bodies and our futures. We are all self-medicating. Our agency will be recognised. We each labour far harder for the health of ourselves and those around us than any doctor ever has, and we will continue build supportive communities on principles of mutual aid.

We deny the separation of bodies, minds, and selves - a violence against any part of us is a violence against all of us. We believe that the epidemic of chronic conditions in our communities is a consequence of the war of attrition waged against us over centuries. We do not exist in isolation, and it is essential to our healthcare that we are all healing together, healing each other, and healing our world. We will heal the damage of borders and states, government and authority, capitalism and imperialism.

We recognise that the history of trans medicine is a history of colonial and fascist abuse. We see the history of eugenicist experimentation from Nazi concentration camps, to the colonial implentation of the West’s regime of the gender binary, to virginity tests for South Asian and other Women of Colour in the UK in the 1970s; from the sterilisation & birth control trials forced on the women of Puerto Rico, to the thousands of Black and brown people who have died on NHS psychiatric wards; from the denial of the reproductive rights of disabled people, to the denial of access to abortions to people in the North of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, past and present. We see the continued manifestation of eugenicist medicine in the denial of our bodily autonomy as trans people today: from coercive surgeries on intersex infants, to forced sterilisation in parts of europe, policing of and misinformation regarding our sexual reproduction, to gatekeeping of surgeries and medicines.

Our fight for bodily autonomy cannot be separated from our fight for reproductive justice. The demand to do what we want with our bodies is necessarily a demand for free and accessible abortions, for the decriminalisation of sex work, and for universal self-determination. We fight for an end to borders, prisons and police. We recognise that we do not exist independently of our environment, and so our fight for self-determination and health is a fight for climate justice, too. We are not separate from our environment, health is unattainable while the water is poisoned and the land is scorched.

There will be no clinics, and no authorities. We will conduct our own research, and experiment with our own bodies. We will heal and grow together. We will accumulate knowledge and share it freely and accessibly. We demand nothing less than the total abolition of the clinic, of psychiatry, and of the medical-industrial complex. We demand an end to capitalist & colonialist “medicine”.

We demand hormones & blockers are made available over-the-counter and by free prescription upon request. We need free, universal access to safe hormones & blockers at any age, the opportunity to decide our own doses, and universally accessible information on the safety & efficacy of different regimens. We are already taking hormones in this way, so this demand is simply that the danger of doing so is effectively mitigated.

We demand that all therapies that can be are made available at drop-ins, with self-referral for any therapy or procedure for which drop-in is unsuitable.

We demand anonymous blood tests, both postal & at drop-in endocrinology clinics, where we can seek the advice of a consultant if we wish.

We demand the freedom to alter our bodies without justification. We demand an end to all surgical prerequisites - nobody should have to prove life experience,health or have to be taking hormones in order to exercise bodily autonomy. We demand that these surgeries can be highly customised to meet our individual & unique needs. We demand the right to multiple surgeries, including reversal of previous surgeries if desired, so that we do not have to fear regret. We demand the free & timely provision of genital surgeries, additive & reductive chest surgeries, hysterectomies and orchiectomies, tracheal & vocal surgeries, facial surgeries, lipoplasty, contouring & microdermabrasion, surgical hair removal & transplantation, and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them.

We demand resources for hair removal anywhere on our bodies, and the option of local anesthetic during these procedures.
We demand voice coaching that does not coerce us to alter our voices in ways we do not express a need for, but respects our accents and our right to express ourselves however we desire.

We demand access to counselling & and any other therapies we choose.
We demand the revocation of medical licenses from all gender clinic doctors & nurses, past and present.

We demand the power to hold abusers of medical & administrative power accountable for historical & present injustices.

We demand medical training to enable us to safely carry out medical procedures & research for each other, for anyone of us who wants to learn. We will enhance our collective knowledge, so that the means to understand our bodies is universally accessible. We demand to improve the quality of medications we take and procedures we undergo, to reduce negative side-effects in the long term, and to highlight our own experience and understanding of their effects on our bodies.

We demand research centres & libraries of knowledge, autonomously & horizontally organised by and for trans people, in which research subjects are equal participants in deciding the experiments conducted & the manner in which those experiments are carried out. We demand full funding for any research or projects undertaken by these collectives.

We demand mandatory education, written & taught entirely by trans people, at all educational stages, from nursery to adulthood. Trans kids have a need to understand themselves, in the context of their own bodies, lives & experiences. We must repair the damage done by section 28, the legacy of which is still causing harm to today’s children.

We demand material reparations for historical abuses against trans people, and for all people hurt by eugenicist medical practices and policies.

We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring. Neither government, nor any institution, has any justification for keeping a register of trans people. Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers.

We demand good quality, accessible & safe homes for all; and demand adquate resources to trans and marginalised people to establish communes & housing co-operatives to schemes and projects.

We demand that trans people are immediately freed from police, military & government contracts without repercussions. We reject the system of blackmail that corporations and governments engage in, whereby trans people who can work are “rewarded” with slightly less mistreatment in exchange for the exploitation of our labour. We will not allow pinkwashing of the violence of capitalism, imperialism and the state.

We demand amnesty, recourse to public funds and indefinite right to remain for all trans, lesbian, gay and bisexual immigrants & asylum seekers. No one is illegal.

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

Edinburgh Action for Trans Health

I thought this was Tatiana McGrath for the first few paragraphs, until it cottoned on that Andrew Doyle as a comedian knows when to pull the punchline
Nomoreusernames1244 · 02/02/2022 19:13

Blimey. Who wrote that?

Hasselhoffsheadband · 02/02/2022 19:21

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Hasselhoffsheadband · 02/02/2022 19:22

As for rights, last time I checked, I didn't have the right to legally falsify my birth certificate, no matter how many hoops I jump through. So I don't know why TRAs think this is some sort of 'human right'.

ScreamingBeans · 02/02/2022 19:22

The right to force other people to pretend they believe you?

HermioneWeasley · 02/02/2022 19:24

How about this one?

What rights don't trans and nb people have?
Isthatthebestyoucando · 02/02/2022 19:24

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

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DisappearingGirl · 02/02/2022 19:32

We demand medical training to enable us to safely carry out medical procedures & research for each other

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DisappearingGirl · 02/02/2022 19:35

We demand the right to multiple surgeries, including reversal of previous surgeries if desired, so that we do not have to fear regret. We demand the free & timely provision of genital surgeries, additive & reductive chest surgeries, hysterectomies and orchiectomies, tracheal & vocal surgeries, facial surgeries, lipoplasty, contouring & microdermabrasion, surgical hair removal & transplantation, and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/02/2022 19:35

This is what happens when tumblr & reality interact

DisappearingGirl · 02/02/2022 19:36

We demand mandatory education, written & taught entirely by trans people, at all educational stages, from nursery to adulthood

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AlternativelyWired · 02/02/2022 19:43

"Trans health is bodily autonomy. We will express our needs, and they will be met. We will change our bodies however we want. We will have universally accessible and freely available hormones & blockers, surgical procedures, and any other relevant treatments and therapies. We will end the medical gatekeeping of our bodies. We will have full, historical accountability for the abuses perpetuated against us in the name of 'healthcare’. We will see reparations for these crimes, "

Hmmm. No one gets this, especially women who suffer great inequalities in health care. Crippling pain from endometriosis takes on average 8 years to get diagnosed. Menopause care, pregnancy care, notoriously doesn't involve much autonomy and women certainly don't demand hormones and wouldn't get them without the appropriate checks and balances. Sterilisation because you know you don't want children at all? Nope. HRT below the average age of menopause? Nope. Free and easy access to contraception and sexual health services globally? Nope. How about campaigning for those rights for everyone, not just trans people.

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Lovelydovey · 02/02/2022 19:43

Basically they are demanding money to spend to make their lives entirely more comfortable. Where do they think it will come from - the magic money tree? I’d like a lot of those things too but the state needs to prioritise allocation of resources, including considering what is fair and necessary, and a lot of those things won’t meet the bar.

JustcameoutGC · 02/02/2022 19:47

We demand all pears are cutted up

AlternativelyWired · 02/02/2022 19:55

Why have they included intersex in their rantings? It all seems very fascist with demand after demand that fails to consider the needs of the rest of society.
I particularly like the bit about abolishing pharmaceutical capitalism and clinics yet demand free and readily available drugs and clinics to suit their needs.
How the hell did this even get off the ground never mind flying its flag.

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EeeICouldRipATissue · 02/02/2022 20:02

The article doesn't specify except to say the motion wants the council to state twaw
No, it says more than that - such as it says there should be better access to trans health care.

Orgasmagorical · 02/02/2022 20:11

@JustcameoutGC

We demand all pears are cutted up
Grin Grin Grin
AlternativelyWired · 02/02/2022 20:12

@EeeICouldRipATissue true, but it's still not very specific. I need specifics to understand things.

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Orgasmagorical · 02/02/2022 20:16

If they got all these things they're demanding there wouldn't be anything else for them to feel victimised about. Then what would they do?

JellySaurus · 02/02/2022 20:23

We will express our needs, and they will be met.

That's what tiny babies do.

yourhairiswinterfire · 02/02/2022 20:24

Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people...

🤣 Vicious bastards, them birth certificates.

Notareindeer · 02/02/2022 20:25

Having read that diatribe it strikes me that most of the demands are not available to anyone! In particular self surgery is only usually done in extreme circumstances vis www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32481442 doctor who removed his own appendix

VelvetChairGirl · 02/02/2022 20:55

they have more rights as they have the standard human rights, their sex based rights and then extra rights ontop of the other sex when they want to have them too.

so no one has more rights then trans

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