Woman on ward - complains about male patient. Is discharged.

[KittenKong]

Going on twitter. She was in a Women’s ward (signage says ‘women’ but later this was disputed by staff).

Another patient on ward ‘Annie’ (not real name). Visitor comes in ‘Hello Fred’.

Woman patient complains that there is a male in the ward. Staff come on handed and tell her that there isn’t (and that there were no single sec wards) - and treated as if she is a troublemaker.

Woman mysteriously discharged PDQ, although not quite feeling well enough in herself.

twitter.com/gillyism/status/1486596070096478209?s=21

Baroness is on the case.

Staff who are prepared to discharge a sick patient for an ideology need to question their career choice.

So much sympathy for Gill

A few years ago, when unwell enough to be effectively trapped in my hospital bed (multiple monitors; catheter; & several IV bags hanging) I had a terrifying night when a male visitor to the ward managed to conceal himself at the end of visiting hours to spend the night with the female relative they were there to see. Who was in the bed opposite me.

I’m sure he was a perfectly nice man & he was just worried about his relative. (Who was not, to be clear, desperately physically unwell, but she greatly disliked hospitals & was mentally not very well). Thing is, while my logical brain kept telling me that, my lizard-brain was so terrified (especially when he left her cubicle to use the toilet) that the alarms on my heart monitor went off multiple times. I was so afraid that I didn’t dare say anything to my nurse any of the multiple times she came to see me during the night either to deal with the monitor saying my heart was identifying as that of a rabbit or just to do my usual medications etc.

I reported it on my transfer to another ward & there was a review & retraining (etc); & I got an in-person apology from the ward matron; & a written one from the hospital’s CEO.

It scares me to think that I could be put in almost the same situation but I would, rather than the hospital improving their safeguarding, face gaslighting, accusations of being akin to a racist - and even, it seems, having my health (or even life) put at risk.

All to validate the feelings of some male individuals who think female is a feeling not a fact.

No thank you.

This behaviour is surely against the law? Aren't medical staff duty bound to treat anyone in need regardless of beliefs etc? And also keep them safe?
Doesn't seem like they have acted within the law regarding patient welfare and safety!!

Nurses are in an impossible situation. There is one sex marker on health care record ie male or female. This is changed by GP on patient request. It's a bit more complicated than that but essentially is self ID. Ie no medical transition or assessment. I am a nurse. I am concerned for patient dignity, privacy for women and how we care for young trans. Rest assured, I'm confident I'm not the only one. In my most recent conversation with equality and diversity lead in my trust I was reminded of A) trust trans policy B) risk of private prosecution and significant fine for breach of policy ie talking about patient trans status (with colleagues) without patients consent to do so - even in context of risk C) NMC code of conduct and risk of losing my pin (aka my ability to continue to be employed as a nurse). So essentially threatened.. This was when I raised concern about our care for a young adult who is trans. Lawks knows what ward staff face when raising concerns about needs of women! I'm heartbroken for the women requesting our help when they feel vulnerable.

I was in hospital for a week in a mixed sex ward. This is 2 years ago, it was shit. So this issue is clouded as it’s not actually guaranteed that the space is female only.

I really wish they’d change the rules though, it was awful. Really undignified.

The Baroness says that ‘it’s all on hand’ now. I wonder what she is up to?

I think both women and men need protection , respect and dignity while in a vulnerable position. Trusts and their clinical staff need to understand this as do the wider NHS organisations.

Men scared of having their bare areas seen - women scared they will be felt up or raped. If a male is active in an aggressive manner in the mens ward, they will be removed. On a mixed sex ward, the complainant gets turfed out.

Ooops! Not turning out be a great week for the integrity of the gender critical movement.

twitter.com/Gillyism/status/1489201390341791759

"This is incredibly hard to say and I couldn’t feel more foolish, embarrassed, awkward and dumbfounded as I do now, but it’s been confirmed that the person I believed to be male on the hospital all female bay I was on, was indeed in fact, a female. This has been 100% verified."

Guess you can't always tell. Wonder how many more women will end up being harassed by gender critical activists because they are not sufficiently feminine.

Happy are we? So a scared, sleep deprived and drugged up woman is basically thrown off a ward because she suspected a man was on there. She was called a bigot for suggesting this.

Why didn’t the staff attend to this rather than treat her like a criminal? Maybe is someone people weren’t so adamant that wards be mixed sex (in all but name) this could not have happened.

Glad you are so happy that a distressed woman was sent home from hospital early. (You forgot to ‘be kind’)

If single sex wards were very definitely single sex wards she wouldn't have had to question it.

@barleybadminton

Ooops! Not turning out be a great week for the integrity of the gender critical movement.

twitter.com/Gillyism/status/1489201390341791759

"This is incredibly hard to say and I couldn’t feel more foolish, embarrassed, awkward and dumbfounded as I do now, but it’s been confirmed that the person I believed to be male on the hospital all female bay I was on, was indeed in fact, a female. This has been 100% verified."

Guess you can't always tell. Wonder how many more women will end up being harassed by gender critical activists because they are not sufficiently feminine.

If women knew that their spaces were guaranteed to be single sex, then this wouldn't be an issue would it?

It's because women have been told that males can be in their spaces if they so wish, and tough shit if they don't like it, whatever their previous trauma around males, that this is a problem.

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is. It illustrates how important it is for women to know for certain that everyone in their vulnerable space is female.

@Hasselhoffsheadband

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is. It illustrates how important it is for women to know for certain that everyone in their vulnerable space is female.

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

No one blames trans women here. Just those who are demanding the right for people (anyone) to say that they are ‘who they say they are’ without question. You do know that some trans women don’t actually believe in a divine right to access single sex facilities?

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

It demonstrates that the destruction of trust in healthcare has consequences. I believe the head of nursing at the hospital was crowing about trans rights, so he was happy to imply that the other patient was a transwoman.

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

I'm not blaming trans people. I am saying that when you go forward with a policy that says that a 'female only single sex' space is actually open to males as well, and women know that the space that is supposed to be female only is potentially open to males as well, they are going to be scared and suspicious.

If the woman in question knew that no male could ever be in the single sex ward she was in, she wouldn't have been suspicious of anyone being male would she? And that would include trans men.

I believe the head of nursing at the hospital was crowing about trans rights, so he was happy to imply that the other patient was a transwoman.

Reminds me of the bloke in the WiSpa video who had no idea who the male in question was, but was happy to tell the women that if it was a transwoman it was all fine and dandy so what's the problem?

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

What it actually illustrates is that obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth leads to biologically born women being abused.

What a bizarre argument. Unless women's spaces are protected from males, then biological women will be, and have been, abused. By some men identifying as women. And occasionally women may get it wrong. So what? This situation wouldn't have happened in the first place if trans rights activists, like yourself, hadn't been pushing this harmful ideology at the expense of women's safety.

And don't pretend for a moment that you are concerned about women being abused. Because I have never seen any evidence of those concerns, unless you can harness it for your own agenda.

obssessively policing single sex spaces on the grounds of the genitals someone possessed at birth

Never understood 'the policing the genitals' argument - it's sex class: 'gestates young' vs 'impregnates' and knowing one is oppressed by the other.

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Oh don't worry, I knew it would be trans people's fault somehow.

I'm not blaming trans people. I am saying that when you go forward with a policy that says that a 'female only single sex' space is actually open to males as well, and women know that the space that is supposed to be female only is potentially open to males as well, they are going to be scared and suspicious.

If the woman in question knew that no male could ever be in the single sex ward she was in, she wouldn't have been suspicious of anyone being male would she? And that would include trans men.

So if someone is brought in who is not communicative and has fully medically transitioned and has no ID how are medical staff supposed to know where to place them?

What about intersex women, where does someone like Castor Semanya go?

And should hospital staff be checking people's genitals when not medically necessary to ensure they are placed in the ward which aligns with their birth sex?

The truth is trans women exist, intersex women exist, masculine appearing women exist, and any attempt to rigidly police single sex spaces whether based on genital inspections or chromosone tests would be intrusive and impact on those born biologically female. And I don't see any other way to do it, because as this incident reveals, women can't actually always tell.

Semanya is male and from all accounts, prefers to be seen as a man everywhere apart from running so should be fine and dandy on a male ward.

Its not just simple as just genitals, as the activists like to frame it in order to minimise the impact. But it's not just about that is it. It's about what men do with those genitals. It's about male aggression, and sexual offending. It's about male ability to overpower women. It's about the desire of males to breakdown those safeguards to enable easy access to women. The length males go to in order to achieve this is well documented. A cock is just a cock. It's the male attached to the cock that's the problem. And women do not want the cock, or the male attached to it, in women's sex segregated spaces.
But if it really is just about genitals, then there is no reason why the cocks don't just use the segregated spaces designated for cock owners. Is there....
After all, it's just genitals. Right?

What about intersex women, where does someone like Castor Semanya go?

Castor is a biological male. Also, stop dragging intersex people into this. They aren't your support horse.