Woman on ward - complains about male patient. Is discharged.

[KittenKong]

Going on twitter. She was in a Women’s ward (signage says ‘women’ but later this was disputed by staff).

Another patient on ward ‘Annie’ (not real name). Visitor comes in ‘Hello Fred’.

Woman patient complains that there is a male in the ward. Staff come on handed and tell her that there isn’t (and that there were no single sec wards) - and treated as if she is a troublemaker.

Woman mysteriously discharged PDQ, although not quite feeling well enough in herself.

twitter.com/gillyism/status/1486596070096478209?s=21

Baroness is on the case.

Medical records should record biological sex accurately, for many reasons. That's what medical treatment should be based on.

Medical records aren't always available. And it depends, Castor Semanya as an example was assigned female at birth yet some people on this thread said she should be in a men's ward.

What you seem to want is a culture where male people can be placed in women's hospital wards, and no-one reacts; no-one self-excludes, no-one feels increased suspicion, no-one becomes more cynical about media reporting.

It's not going to happen.

Exactly.

Do you or do you not think that women have the right to a single sex, female only ward where they can be guaranteed that everyone in there is actually female?

But that isn't practically possible.

And what about male guests, porters, nurses, cleaners and doctors?

Well NHS records are helpful for that. As long as they are recorded accurately. Which currently they are not, esp when birth certs are altered. And obviously everyone's NHS record is accessed when in hospital.

Didn't you know that?

Maybe Barley is American? Like other past posters, they do seem to look at things through a very American-centric lens.

It's the hypocrisy that got me and/or lack of self awareness.

Indeed you practice this well.

Shock horror when a woman gets misgendered the poor thing.

Men identifying as women on women's wards / spaces? Fine by you. #nothing to see here

You're just desperate for your gotcha moment. But it simply exposes exactly what you are. Which is great exposure for the lurkers. So keep going. Honestly I have to give you credit for helping expose this to people. I'm sure you're gender critical really.

@Rheopecticfluid

People are frequently admitted to hospital with no ID or not enough detail to establish their records.

And which people might you be referring to here?

The people admitted to hospital with no ID or not enough detail to establish their records.

@barleybadminton

So is anyone going to answer the question of what criteria medical staff should use to allocate sex if someone is unable to communicate or they are suspicious that someone wasn't born the sex they say they are?

I assume they will access the patient records, if there are no hospital records they can look to see what Gp they are registered with and find out that way. If the patient cannot communicate who they are or anything else, they will look for ID on the patient and search for medical history from that name, and from any relatives that can be traced. Patients will almost certainly have every part of their body observed at some point by staff. It would be hard to hide a penis.

Maybe Barley is American? Like other past posters, they do seem to look at things through a very American-centric lens.

Ahh, they've come to educate the women of t*rf island in their own special way.

It's not working out well for them is it.

It would be hard to hide a penis.

Indeed it would be.

I assume they will access the patient records, if there are no hospital records they can look to see what Gp they are registered with and find out that way. If the patient cannot communicate who they are or anything else, they will look for ID on the patient and search for medical history from that name, and from any relatives that can be traced. Patients will almost certainly have every part of their body observed at some point by staff. It would be hard to hide a penis.

Not all trans women have a penis. And some people don't have any medical records, or they are not easily accessible, especially if they are not from the UK.

@barleybadminton

Medical records should record biological sex accurately, for many reasons. That's what medical treatment should be based on.

Medical records aren't always available. And it depends, Castor Semanya as an example was assigned female at birth yet some people on this thread said she should be in a men's ward.

nhs medical records are always available in an nhs hospital. We’re talking about an nhs ward and nhs policy here.

What has whether someone is American or not got to do with anything?
I know I've seen people on here before say they're American.
Or is that only OK to be if you're '' GC? ''
As why does it matter where you're from?
(Obviously not a clue whether Barley is American or not, just not sure what it's got to do with anything)

Encouraged to see examples of ward managers refusing to pander to Transphobia!

Sometimes it can feel like the Transphobic narrative is gaining majority support in the UK Nursing context, given the very vocal Transphobic minority.

Well done to every Nurse supporting Trans rights

That was the reaction of a professor of nursing.

Caster semanya has a VSD which only males can have

They are not a woman

@EeeICouldRipATissue

What has whether someone is American or not got to do with anything? I know I've seen people on here before say they're American. Or is that only OK to be if you're '' GC? '' As why does it matter where you're from? (Obviously not a clue whether Barley is American or not, just not sure what it's got to do with anything)

If you re-read the thread, I'm sure you'll glean the relevance. I am not going to recap three people's posts because you only read alternate posts.

nhs medical records are always available in an nhs hospital
Yes, but surely that depends on whether they know who you are or not?
Eg imagining someone brought in who'd been in an accident, they wouldnt know whose records to pull up.

nhs medical records are always available in an nhs hospital. We’re talking about an nhs ward and nhs policy here.

London hospitals are full of people who aren't from the UK, as are hospitals in many other big cities. Not everyone is British you know, even in Britain.

If you re-read the thread, I'm sure you'll glean the relevance
Yes, just realised that it will be due to NHS

London hospitals are full of people who aren't from the UK, as are hospitals in many other big cities. Not everyone is British you know, even in Britain
Good point, didn't think of that
Not everyone will be registered with the NHS and with a GP

Not all trans women have a penis. And some people don't have any medical records, or they are not easily accessible, especially if they are not from the UK.

Vast majority do indeed have a penis.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

nhs medical records are always available in an nhs hospital Yes, but surely that depends on whether they know who you are or not? Eg imagining someone brought in who'd been in an accident, they wouldnt know whose records to pull up.

If someone is that badly ill or injured that their sex cannot be ascertained, they are in a coma and unable to communicate, they probably are not going to be in a single sex ward anyway are they? They will be in a critical care unit.

London hospitals are full of people who aren't from the UK, as are hospitals in many other big cities. Not everyone is British you know, even in Britain.

If they are not resident in Britain then the NHS hospital will need to know their identity before carrying out anything other than emergency treatment in order to charge them for the cost of treatment.

Have you still no idea of what can happen to a patient who successfully deceives medical staff as to their sex?

If there are patients without medical records in hospital who are being treated as the opposite sex, they are the most at risk. Do you not give a crisp packet about that?

One weird thing - from the original twitter thread the ward sister and other staff did not respond in the way you'd expect if they knew the patient to be female, and not a trans woman. If they knew she was mistaken, then it would not have gone the way it did. It was gill's telling of it, and it's gone now, but the impression from the medical staff's behaviour towards her doesn't sit right with what we are told now.
Plus, as a PP noted, for it to be '100% verified' would require medical staff to be telling this now, which is also very odd.
All in all, very odd.

@Rheopecticfluid

Not all trans women have a penis. And some people don't have any medical records, or they are not easily accessible, especially if they are not from the UK.

Vast majority do indeed have a penis.

And any medical professional would easily spot those who gave had surgery (as would women)