Woman on ward - complains about male patient. Is discharged.

[KittenKong]

Going on twitter. She was in a Women’s ward (signage says ‘women’ but later this was disputed by staff).

Another patient on ward ‘Annie’ (not real name). Visitor comes in ‘Hello Fred’.

Woman patient complains that there is a male in the ward. Staff come on handed and tell her that there isn’t (and that there were no single sec wards) - and treated as if she is a troublemaker.

Woman mysteriously discharged PDQ, although not quite feeling well enough in herself.

twitter.com/gillyism/status/1486596070096478209?s=21

Baroness is on the case.

The current issue is that males are being allowed into female wards.

Some.people like.yourself feel its OK but can't give a reason that stands up to the evidence to the contrary,why it's ok.

And some.people don't and have given facts as to why its a bad idea that people dismiss as its said by people they don't like.

What else is there to discuss. Males on a female ward taking priority over the care and wellbeing of the women.

I dont know what it is you want to discuss really of the topic is not something you want to engage in
.

It is ridiculous to think it is possible to create a category of males who can use single sex spaces. They still remove the single sex space and make it impossible to police. Which is how we got to where we are now. The 'genuine' TW campaigned for it

@DdraigGoch

We know from overwhelming evidence that trans women are just as likely to face sexual assault from men as other women

Please provide this evidence. Most men are heterosexual so are not sexually attracted to transwomen.

I’d also like to see this evidence- generally, including the prostituted transwomen from Latin American who are so often exploited by white middle class people who share only one of their characteristics, and for the UK.

Why does that even matter if its true witg regards ti women's wards?

If mens watdsbare unsafe for some demographics if males you work to make them safer. You don't offload the problem.to.women and hope that as there's more of you all together you may not be picked this time

Yes, it would make them much safer for women, and less dangerous for trans women
How would it be less dangerous for trans women?

What danger is it you think transwomen are in in the UK?

As a group they are probably the safest in the UK. The biggest threat to males and men is other males and men.

So sticking males on a women's ward isn't solving the problem it's just making women unsafe.

Nale violence is problem.for men and males to solve.

Not the responsibility of women. We are not everyone's mother.

Evidence and sources that trans women aren't in danger please?
Saying you just don't feel like being someone's mum isn't really anything.
Are you actually also saying that people who are trans are always completely safe in the UK?

As a group they are probably the safest in the UK
Genuinely not sure how you have come to that conclusion.
What are you basing that on?

I posted that up thread.the channel four fact check link.

And why is transwomen being beaten up by men the problem fir women to solve.

Women did what they could do fir women. We set up spaces away from men

Transpeople could do that . Set up spaces. We'd all contribute quite happily.

It would be a better use of time.akd resources than calling in stickers to the police

@DdraigGoch

We know from overwhelming evidence that trans women are just as likely to face sexual assault from men as other women

Please provide this evidence. Most men are heterosexual so are not sexually attracted to transwomen.

Still waiting for this "evidence".

As another poster said, it'll need to be relevant to the UK, Brazilian statistics won't wash.

Are you actually also saying that people who are trans are always completely safe in the UK?

No one is completely safe. But statistically, transwomen are much safer than both men and women in the UK.

Still waiting for this "evidence
Same here, as in still waiting for evidence that people who are trans aren't in any danger in the UK.
People saying they don't feel like being your mum won't wash.

kareningalasmith.com/2021/02/08/2021/

UK
www.statista.com/statistics/944650/number-trans-murders-latin-america-country/

Note uk not listed

But statistically, transwomen are much safer than both men and women in the UK
Evidence please?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54992071.amp

Again.even the.bbc. the BBC. say none in the UK in the last ur or 2

That link shows there has been murders, though.
How many murders do you seem not enough to bother about and therefore shows they're '' safe '' (in somes eyes?)

We are talking uk.

Sex workers a highly dangerous situation fir everyone involved in it is not really relevant to hospital wards in the UK.

But if we play that game how ablut the hundreds if deaths if women last year I'm Honduras?. Is that enough to Watten safe spaces kn the UK?

Warrant

Your BBC link specifically says that there is serious violence towards trans people in the UK and even gives an example (won't post as fairly graphic description and don't want to upset anyone)
So you're just linking to evidence that yes, actually, there is violence in the UK against trans people - not much murders but they do still happen.
Violence and physical attacks much more commonplace.

I think it's frankly bonkers and a deliberate misinterpretation of the facts as stated by C4 to claim transwomen are the safest demographic.

It's a GC credo that no trans people pass, no? In which case, you surely believe that trans women come across as gender non conforming men, and trans men as gender non conforming women. But there's no evidence suggesting that GNC men and women are at less risk of violence... Surely you would agree that with respect to butch lesbians and effeminate gay men, there's often quite a high risk from (largely male) violence? If you think trans people do not pass, how are you getting the idea that they are magically immune from violence when being parsed as gender non conforming?

I know how frustrating it is to see the inflated trans murder rate being waved around. But that doesn't mean GC feminists should try to misstate stats too.

(This, by the way, is pretty much what I referred to upthread re: transphobia in FWR. There is an overweening mood of hostility towards the idea that trans people could have a hard time, that being trans is actually probably quite difficult, that it isn't just something being done to get at women. I genuinely think it is terrible for the image of GC feminism to maintain this approach. And no, I am not saying that means capitulating or Being Kind to everything a male individual asks for.)

At the hands if males no doubt.

So, again why dint males including transwomen sort out male violence or set up spaces away.

What has that got to do with women. We did this already.

People saying they don't feel like being your mum won't wash.

Why not? It is not down to women to give themselves up as human shields to protect one subset of males from other males.

At the hands if males no doubt
You have no way of knowing that though, you're just guessing, hence your "no doubt ''
Yes, most of it probably is but abuse is abuse whoever it's coming from whether male or female

Well if women areno safer stay with the men and males then ... what are you even arguing for .