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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why am I not surprised?

414 replies

FatFucker · 09/01/2022 00:09

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382291/Did-Hertfordshire-Police-force-break-uniform-code-transgender-trailblazer.html

One rule for women and another for transgender women.

Having long green nails and heavy makeup, breaches Hertfordshire Police Forces uniform policy, unless of course you're trans! Then you can do what you like to "feel like a woman".

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SolasAnla · 09/01/2022 10:04

@NoNotMeNoSiree

I honestly don't get this. As in, she's wearing make up and nail varnish. So bloody what?! It can't be put down to anything like '' valid concerns, taking over toilets!'' I sometimes think anyone who is trans can't win (that's a saying in the UK, it doesn't mean trying to win an end game or anything!) Don't wear make up. '' You look too much like a bloke!!'' '' At least makes an effort - Stop appropriating womanhood! Who says you can wear makeup or nail varnish?! At least make it consistent. Or should it be that people shouldn't be trans at all? Genuinely (honestly) curious
Because it's nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with being a visual representation of the Police. The Police force having rules and applying the rules without fear or favours should be standard operating procedure.

It may be that there is a toilet and changing room issue in some of the stations, there is if some males are being allowed to use female areas. This Police force has indicated that rules don't apply to some male officers. If there is a problem can a female officer have confidence that her concerns about the service provision for her and her fellow female officer will be acknowledged or will she be told that it's "fine" to have a male use the female service areas?

If a male officer has a dress code and a female officer has a dress code these are the basic PR checks that a publicity photo shoot should adhere to. In this case neither dress code was applied.

So who should care if the Senior Officers in a Police force decide that the rule book is an optional extra when it comes to achieving the optimum positive publicity?

Who should decide which rule books should be applied or when they should be applied?

Who should decide which individuals get to operate out side the rules?

Is that how the Police should operate?

The Police Officer in charge of PR who first responded on Twitter said that they would remove offending tweets. This is not possible on Twitter. So the PR tweeter is less than competent with the PR role.

The next tweet was a statement of intent to report tweets the Police PR account dislikes to parties unspecified in the tweet.

If the PR person was properly informed on the recent Court case etc then their PR rule book would not have enabled that PR sequence to develop.

The two tweets sets out the "official position" of tone policing by a arm of the State who have the power to obtain a UK tweeters details, turn up at their house, and threaten to arrest or actually arrest the individual.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 10:08

Crikey. That's a much more incoherent rant than I expected.

Maybe NoSiree could come back and explain what they meant, for those of us up late and still a bit hungover?

Bonhex · 09/01/2022 10:09

Plod are exploiting individuals to further their diversity crusades.
Did they ever stop to think that they might be humiliating this person?

It all comes back to bloody Stonewall.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2022 10:15

If a male officer has a dress code and a female officer has a dress code these are the basic PR checks that a publicity photo shoot should adhere to. In this case neither dress code was applied.

The bit of code quoted doesn't even appear to be specific to women. It looks like it should be ok for any officer to wear discreet makeup and neutral nail polish. Quite right too, no reason for any difference on that.

The force's Dress And Equipment Code And Standards Policy states: 'Individuals should keep make-up discreet or in connection with your religion/faith. Individuals in operational roles must ensure nails are kept short and any nail varnish must be neutral in colour.'

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 10:16

@Bonhex

Plod are exploiting individuals to further their diversity crusades. Did they ever stop to think that they might be humiliating this person?

It all comes back to bloody Stonewall.

This needs to be repeated often, loudly.
NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 12:07

and telling us to stay in our lane
Yeah, that didn't happen though, did it.
Said nothing of the sort.
Think what you like, just like I do.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 12:08

Rant?!
Crikey.
Hardly.

BaronessWrongCrowdRex · 09/01/2022 12:21

Their are rules that female officers must adhere to. If Cherry wishes to identify and be treated as the opposite sex then why is Cherry being allowed to flout these rules. Cherry is getting special treatment that is not accorded to female officers. Seems there is one rule for one and one for the rest.

BaronessWrongCrowdRex · 09/01/2022 12:21

*There.

Warmduscher · 09/01/2022 12:35

@NoNotMeNoSiree

and telling us to stay in our lane Yeah, that didn't happen though, did it. Said nothing of the sort. Think what you like, just like I do.
NoNotMeNoSiree

I thought most people knew that?

I do.
Correctly sex.
Refuse to see as trans. Stay in your lane.
Potato, potatah.

No-one said “stay in your lane” except you.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 12:47

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Rant?! Crikey. Hardly.
OK.

Incoherent brain dump.

It still makes little sense, lacks internal logic. Maybe deliberately so?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 12:53

No-one said “stay in your lane” except you
My post says stay in your lane as in trans people, as staying in your lane looks wise!
Not about '' G C'' views.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 12:56

Incoherent brain dump
Grin
Ok to be fair it was very late/early and I could have been a bit clearer, that'll learn me to MN after midnight after a few wines Grin

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 13:00

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Incoherent brain dump Grin Ok to be fair it was very late/early and I could have been a bit clearer, that'll learn me to MN after midnight after a few wines Grin
Okay so are you now going to answer the question as to why Cherry should be allowed to flout the Dress Code Rules? Which is the entire and only point being made on this thread despite your lame attempts to turn it into something else.
HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 13:04

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Incoherent brain dump Grin Ok to be fair it was very late/early and I could have been a bit clearer, that'll learn me to MN after midnight after a few wines Grin
So what did smack your funny bone?

The issue is pretty clear. Police have allowed one officer to flout uniform rules and many people are asking why?

If it is because that officer is trans then there are many reasons why it is not acceptable.

If that is not the reason then why?

Why is that one person exceptional?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 13:08

answer the question as to why Cherry should be allowed to flout the Dress Code Rules
Yes, women might not be able to wear lots of make up and nail polish.
It comes down to policing women's appearances at the end of the day.
Where does it leave trans women?
Don't wear make up, there'd probably be a thread on here complaining she was looking too manly or something.
It's not about safety here, is it.
It's about what you '' should'' look like.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 13:10

so what did smack your funny bone?
Did you miss the bit at the top where the quote is, just before the grin emoji?
That bit.
Now I know that was clear, so not sure why you're making out it's not.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 13:16

The top of what? Your penultimate post? The one after my last one?

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 13:17

Oh! You mean "incoherent brain dump"

I meant your very first response in this thread. Your initial reaction to the OP!

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 09/01/2022 13:18

@NoNotMeNoSiree

answer the question as to why Cherry should be allowed to flout the Dress Code Rules Yes, women might not be able to wear lots of make up and nail polish. It comes down to policing women's appearances at the end of the day. Where does it leave trans women? Don't wear make up, there'd probably be a thread on here complaining she was looking too manly or something. It's not about safety here, is it. It's about what you '' should'' look like.
This.

What is the issue with emergency services and uniforms, dress codes?

Why should transwomen be exempt?

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 13:25

Where does it leave transwomen?

Abiding by the same rules that apply to everyone else is where it leaves them, are you suggesting they are a sacred caste that must have special treatment and that the rules that apply to others shouldn't apply to them?

Yes, women might not be able to wear lots of make up and nail polish.

No Police officer is allowed to except, it seems, Cherry and that is discrimination.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 09/01/2022 13:27

It's make up!
Seriously, I cannot get worked up over how much make up someone does or doesn't wear.

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 13:28

Don't wear make up, there'd probably be a thread on here complaining she was looking too manly or something.

There's a reason why Cherry would look manly, can you think what that might be? Anyway, aren't we always being told that being trans has absolutely nothing to do with mimicking the stereotypes of the other sex, are you now admitting that that is exactly what it is?

VestofAbsurdity · 09/01/2022 13:30

@NoNotMeNoSiree

It's make up! Seriously, I cannot get worked up over how much make up someone does or doesn't wear.
Yes, it's make up and there are Dress Code rules around it for every other Police Officer, so again, for you Cherry gets to flout the rules every other Police Officer has to abide by, why is that?
Helleofabore · 09/01/2022 13:33

It comes down to policing women's appearances at the end of the day.

Yeah sure. So organisations should suspend all their dress codes to allow people to wear whatever they want, have whatever body decoration visible so people have their absolute personal freedom…. Or….. any person who feels this dress code is oppressive can just not join that organisation. Because after all, a police force needs to be seen as inspiring trust and calm via an appearance that can be easily identified as a police person vs some dressed up in a fake uniform.

Where does it leave trans women?

Being treated like, you know, women who they identify as.

Don't wear make up, there'd probably be a thread on here complaining she was looking too manly or something.

If any transioned male looks ‘manly’, that is their issue to deal with. Not a police force to accommodate by removing the code of conduct and dress to make them feel like something that is not supposed to be based on stereotypes.

It's not about safety here, is it.

Yes. Having nails that length would be an issue I would expect. And I repeat, a police force needs to be easily recognised by consistent cues in emergency situations.

It's about what you '' should'' look like.

Yes. That is what dress codes are all about. If you don’t like the dress code of organisation you work for, you have the freedom to leave it.

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